Myrons Mopeds Spokes 2019
108 spoke varieties in thin boxes
mostly original for 70’s mopeds
Contents:
1. How to Use
2. Application Chart
3. Spokes for Sale
4. Spoke Nipples
5. Spoke Threads
6. Length Calculation
7. Honda Spokes
1. How to Use
A. Look up the brand and model in the Application Chart. Find the original spoke length, thickness, and thread.
B. Measure the spoke length with a metric ruler or tape. See below for the meaning of spoke length, and how it is a little less than total length. Note that the rim end of installed spokes is about 2 mm past the outer surface of the rim.
C: Verify the measured length and the listed length are the same or close to the same. This prevents errors from wheels that have been swapped or re-spoked, or from confusing, mistaken or unknown model names.
D. Look up the spoke length in the Spokes for Sale list. Find the price and availability.
Length is to the center of the head, for 90° bend.
Spoke length can be measured from different points in the head, such as the inner curve, the outer curve, or total length. So some spec sheets might list the same spoke as slightly different lengths. Besides that, spokes can be a little longer or shorter and still work fine, as long as the original spoke was not already short or long. For example, pre-1977 Puch Maxi spec is 191mm, while 1977-later is 188mm, with the same rim and hub. A 1/16 inch (1.6mm) more or less is no big deal. Here, with bicycle style 90 degree bend spokes, we use the center of the head as the length end point, which is why it’s often 1-2mm different than manufacturer specification. With motorcycle style inner (less than 90 degree) and outer (more than 90 degree) types, we use the 90 degree equivalent. This way inners and outers have the same length. Otherwise inners are longer because they have less bend.
Spoke thickness usually goes by wire gauge, where 14g=2.0 mm, 13g=2.3, 12g=2.6, 11g=2.9, 10g=3.2, 9g=3.6, 8g=4.0 mm. French spokes have a different wire gauge (Jauge de Paris of 1857), where 13J=2.0, 14J=2.2, 15J=2.4, 16J=2.7, 17J=3.0 mm. Italian spokes are always in even millimeters, like 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5.
Spoke threads Most spokes have rolled threads, where the thread tops are raised higher and the diameter is greater than the plain spoke. Most rolled spoke threads do not match any metric screw. Some spokes have cut threads, or thinner ends, with thread tops lower than the plain spoke. So there are many different thread variations. Because of this, for most of these vintage spokes, the maker of the nipples (nuts) must match the maker of the spoke. For most, the ID mark on the spoke must match the ID mark on the nut.
Thread pitch Here the meaning of “thread” is the width of one thread, in mm. Italian spokes have coarse thread (0.65 for Ø2.5, 0.65 or 0.60 for Ø3.0), French spokes have medium thread (0.55 for Ø2.4 and Ø2.7, 0.60 for Ø3.0). Japan, Taiwan, and Korean spokes have fine thread (0.45 for Ø2.3 and Ø2.6, or 0.55 for Ø2.9 or 0.65 for Ø3.2). German spokes have fine thread (0.45 for Ø2.3, 0.45 or 0.50 for Ø2.6, or 0.65 for Ø3.0). Swiss spokes have French threads with Italian diameters.
Spoke head logos (ID marks). See more here
ID marks: Most moped spokes have a logo or ID mark that raises out of the spoke head. They are listed as (A) Alpina or (R) Redaelli = Italian, (Δ) = delta, () or (∴) 3-dot = Asian, (Б) DT = Swiss, (♣) Berg or (U) Union = German, (C) (B) (*) (+) or (Я) = French. Replacement spokes with the same thickness and same ID mark, have the same thread, so they screw into the same nut. That allows easy replacement, re-using the old nut, without even deflating the tire.
Substitutes: Many original spokes are not available, where the price says “none”. They are for reference only, not for sale, but included so that a close enough substitute can be found. If the original spoke for your bike is not available, then first look how far into the nipples your original spoke are, to see how much longer or shorter the spokes could be. Then remove one to precisely measure it’s length. Use the drawings above to know how. Then look for a spoke a little longer (or shorter) that would substitute. A thicker one is better, but may require precise drilling of the rim hole and sometimes the hub hole. A thinner one would need a tight fitting washer to prevent the smaller nipple from pulling through the rim hole.
2. Application Chart
000 F R O N T W H E E L 0000 xx00000R E A R W H E E L
rim xx qty xxx type xx thickness xxxxxxxx rim xx qty xxx type xx thickness x
↓ cross ↓ drum ↓ length ↓ thread xxxxxx ↓ cross ↓ drum ↓ length ↓ thread xx Make and Model(s)
16″ 3x 36 090 renni 173 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni 173 2.6 0.45 AMF Roadmaster
17″ 2x 32 090 inner 172 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 inner 162 3.2 0.65 AMS Sierra 50 (step thru)
17″ 2x 32 090 outerx172 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 outerx162 3.2 0.65
17″ 2x 32 090 inner 172 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 inner 162 2.6 0.45 AMS Tahoe 50 (top tank)
17″ 2x 32 090 outerx172 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 outerx162 2.6 0.45
17″ 2x 32 080 renni 179 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 080 renni 179 2.6 0.45 Angel and Speed Bird
16″ 2x 28 080 renni 169 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 070 rightx 168 3.0 0.60 Batavus VA,HS50,Starflite
16″ 2x 28 080 inner 169 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 o70 leftx 165 3.0 0.60 BatavusBronco, Mobat
16″ 2x 28 080 renni 169 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 080 renni 173 3.0 0.60 Batavus Regency
B
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 156 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni 156 2.5 0.65 Cimatti City Bike, Town Bike
17″ 3x 36 105 renni 185 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 105 renni 185 2.6 0.45 Colombia Commuter (1 chain)
17″ 3x 36 105 renni 185 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 105 renni 185 2.6 0.45 Col Open Road, Mopet (2 chain)
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 156 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni 174 2.5 0.65 Garelli Eureka, Sport
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 155 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni 174 3.0 0.65 Garelli Sport HD
G
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 156 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni 174 2.5 0.65 Garelli Rally Sport, Gran Sport
17″ 3x 36 090 renni 187 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090 renni 188 2.5 0.65 same but 17″ rims
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 156 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni 174 2.5 0.65 Garelli Super Sport
17″ 3x 36 090 renni 187 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 17” 3x 36 090 renni 187 2.5 0.65 same but 17″ rims
16″ 3x 36 105 renni 173 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 105 renni 174 2.5 0.65 Garelli Gulpmatic
G
16″ 3x 36 105 renni 173 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 105 renni 174 3.0 0.65 Garelli VIP
17″ 3x 36 105 renni 187 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 17” 3x 36 105 renni 188 3.0 0.65 same but 17″ rims
17″ 2x 32 080 inner 177 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 080 inner 172 2.6 0.45 General, Lazer, others,
17″ 2x 32 080 outer 177 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 080 outer 172 2.6 0.45
18″ 3x 36 090 renni 198 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 18″ 3x 36 090 renni 198 2.5 0.65 Harley 65 M50 (to # 65M-9595)
18″ 2x 36 090 renni 188 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 18″ 2x 36 090 renni 188 2.5 0.65 Harley 65 M50 (after 65M-9595)
17″ 2x 36 090 renni 166 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 090 renni 166 2.5 0.65 Harley Davidson 66 M50, MS50
17″ 2x 36 090 renni 166 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 090 renni 166 2.5 0.65 Harley 66-69 M65, MS65, ML65
17″ 3x 36 090 renni 190 2.3 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090 right 190 2.3 0.45 Hercules sheet-frame w/504
17″ 3x 36 090 renni 190 2.3 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090 left 188 2.3 0.45 (bigger left rear hub flange)
17″ 3x 36 090 renni 186 2.3 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090 renni 186 2.3 0.45 Hercules tube-frame w/505
14″ 2x 28 080 renni 144 2.3 0.45 xxxxx 14″ 2x 28 080 renni 144 2.3 0.45 Honda 1977 NC50 Express
14″ 2x 28 080 renni 144 2.3 0.45 xxxxx 14″ 2x 28 080 rei 144 2.6-2.3 0.45 Honda 78-79 NC50, 79 NA50
14″ 2x 28 080 rei 144 2.6-2.3 0.45 xxxxx 14″ 2x 28 080 rei 144 2.6-2.3 0.45 Honda 1980 NC50, 80 NA50
14″ 2x 28 080 rei 144 2.6-2.3 0.45 xxxxx 14″ 2x 28 095 rei 141 2.6-2.3 0.45 Honda 81-83 NC50, 81 NA50
16″ 2x 32 095 rei 164 2.9-2.6 0.45 xxxxx 14″ 2x 28 095 rei 138 2.9-2.6 0.45 Honda 82-83 NU50
H
17″ 3x 36 080 renni 188 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 renni 160 2.6 0.45 Honda PA50 Hobbit
H
17″ 2x 32 090 inner 175 2.9 0.55 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 090 inner 175 2.9 0.55 Indian AMI-50 4-stroke
17″ 2x 32 090 outer 175 2.9 0.55 xxxxx 17″ 2x 32 090 outer 175 2.9 0.55
16″ 2x 36 085 renni 160 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 085 renni 160 2.6 0.50 Jawa 207 Babetta
J
17″ 3x 36 080 renni 189 2.3 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 ren 190 3.0-2.6 .50 Kreidler MP9 Flory
J
17″ 2x 36 090 renni 170 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 090 right 169 2.6 0.50 Kynast Flying Dutchman
17″ 2x 36 090 renni 170 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 090 left 163 2.6 0.50 (bigger left rear hub flange)
17″ 3x 36 090 renni 188 2.5 0.55 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090 right 192 2.5 0.55 KTM Foxi Deluxe, Salsberg
17″ 3x 36 090 renni 188 2.5 0.55 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090 left 188 2.5 0.55 (bigger left rear hub flange)
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 156 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni 171 2.5 0.65 Malaguti Commuter
M
16″ 2x 28 070 renni 173 2.4-2.2 0.55 xx 16″ 2x 36 070 renni 157 3.0 0.60 Motobecane 7
17″ 1x 36 080 hi hub 154 3.0 0.60 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 renni 174 3.0 0.60 Motobecane 40, 40T, Traveler
17″ 2x 36 080 lo hub 174 3.0 0.60
17″ 2x 36 080 hi hub 168 3.0 0.60 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 renni 174 3.0 0.60 Motobecane 50, 50V, Moby
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 155 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni 171 2.5 0.65 Negrini Gazelle, MX Sport
17″ 3x 36 090 renni 187 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 090 renni 187 2.5 0.65 NVT Easy Rider, Scorpion
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 153 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni 153 2.6 0.50 Odyssey (Solo)
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 156 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 3x 36 090 renni 171 2.5 0.65 Pacer P1, Sport, Super Sport
17″ 1x 28 080 renni 165 2.4 0.55 xxxxx 17″ 1x 28 070 ren 171 2.7-2.4 0.55 Peugeot 102
17″ 1x 28 080 renni 165 2.4 0.55 xxxxx 17″ 1x 28 080 ren 167 2.7-2.4 0.55 Peugeot 103
P
17″ 2x 36 080 Puch 173 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 080 Puch 173 2.6 0.50 Puch Maxi GN (hard tail thin rims)
P
17″ 3x 36 080 Puch 188 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 Puch 188 2.6 0.50 Puch Maxi, Newport (thin rims)
17″ 3x 36 080 DT ss 187 2.6 0.55 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 DT ss 187 2.6 0.55 Puch ’78 Maxi Luxe (wide rim)
17″ 3x 36 080 DT ss 186 2.6 0.55 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 DT ss 186 2.6 0.55 Puch Magnum XK
17″ 3x 36 080 Puch 187 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 Puch 187 2.6 0.50 Puch Maxi Luxe (wide rim)
17″ 3x 36 080 renni 186 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 renni 186 2.6 0.50 Newport, Newport II, Maxi II
17″ 3x 36 080 Puch 188 2.6 0.50 xxxxx 17″ 3x 36 080 Puch 188 2.6 0.50 Sears Free Spirit (thin rim)
19″ 2x 36 090 left 204 2.5 0.50 xxxxx 19″ 2x 36 090 left 204 2.5 0.50 Sears Allstate Mo-Ped ‘54-68
19″ 2x 36 090 right 196 2.5 0.50 xxxxx 19″ 2x 36 090 right 196 2.5 0.50
19″ 1x 28 none renn 224 2.4 0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 none reni 224 2.4 0.55 Solex 1400,1700,S 2200 ’58-64
19″ 1x 28 none renn 224 2.4 0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 070 renni 198 2.4 0.55 Solex S 3300 ’64-66 small R hub
19″ 1x 28 none renn 224 2.4 0.45 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 083 Atom 192 2.4 0.55 Solex S 3300 ’64-66 large R hub
19″ 1x 28 none renn 224 2.4 0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 083 Atom 192 2.4 0.55 Solex S 3800 ’66-69
19″ 1x 28 none renn 218 2.4 0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 080 Leleu 190 2.4 0.55 Solex S 3800 ’70-86, 4600 ’70-74
19″ 1x 28 none renn 220 2.4 0.55 xxxxx 19″ 1x 28 080 Leleu 190 2.7-2.4 .55 Solex 4600 V2 Motobecane ’75-79
16″ 1x 28 none renn 179 2.4 0.55 xxxxx 16″ 1x 28 080 Leleu 152 2.4 0.55 Solex 5000 (to 7027299)
16″ 1x 28 none renn 179 2.4 0.55 xxxxx 16″ 1x 28 080 Leleu 152 2.7-2.4 .55 Solex 5000 (7027300 up)
16″ 2x 36 080 renni 160 2.3 0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 080 renni 160 2.6 0.50 Sparta Foxi GT, Buddy, Lucky
16″ 2x 36 080 renni 160 2.3 0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 080 renni 160 2.6 0.50 Sparta Flying Dutchman
16″ 2x 36 080 renni 160 2.3 0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 080 ren 160 3.0-2.6 .50 Sparta heavy duty version
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 155 2.5 0.65 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni 155 2.5 0.65 Tomos Automatic A3 ’74-78
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 154 2.7 0.55 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni 154 2.7 0.55 Tomos Bullet A3 ’79-83
16″ 2x 36 090 renni 152 2.7 0.55 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 090 renni 152 2.7 0.55 Tomos Bullet A3 ’84-91
T
17″ 1x 36 disk L out 176 3.0 0.60 xxxxx 16″ 1x 36 118 left 160 3.0 0.60 Tomos Revival (A35)
17″ 1x 36 disk R,L in 180 3.0 0.60 xxxxx 16″ 1x 36 118 right 150 3.0 0.60
17″ 2x 36 disk renni 170 3.0 0.60 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 105 renni 148 3.0 0.60 Tomos Revival TS (A55)
17″ 2x 36 disk renni 170 3.0 0.60 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 105 renni 148 3.0 0.60 Tomos Streetmate
16″ 2x 32 090 inner 160 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 32 090 inner 160 2.6 0.45 Trac Clipper, Eagle, Hawk
16″ 2x 32 090 outer 160 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 16″ 2x 32 090 outer 160 2.6 0.45 Trac Escot, Sprint
17″ 2x 36 110 inner 162 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 inner 162 2.6 0.45 Trac Olympic, Liberty
17″ 2x 36 110 outer 162 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 outer 162 2.6 0.45
17″ 2x 36 110 inner 174 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 inner 159 3.2 0.60 Trac DH100 Superhawk
17″ 2x 36 110 outer 174 2.6 0.45 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 110 outer 159 3.2 0.60
17″ 2x 28 090 renni 182 2.5 0.60 xxxxx 17″ 2x 36 135 renni 160 3.0 0.60 Vespa Ciao C7N, C7E, C7V
V
16″ 2x 28 090 renni 167 2.5 0.60 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 135 renni 145 3.0 0.60 Vespa Bravo EEV
V
17″ 2x 36 105 renni 160 3.0 0.60 xxxxx 16″ 2x 36 135 renni 145 3.0 0.60 Vespa Grande 048
V
3. Spokes For Sale
w/nut-price Price for each spoke with nipple. New is green, used is dark green.
MM# The Myrons Mopeds spoke part number is the specs. Specs are in millimeters.
Specs “160 2.6 12g inner 0.45″ means 160 long, 2.6 thick, 12 gauge, inner style, 0.45 thread pitch.
36-price For any quantity over 25, the price per spoke is the 36-price divided by 36.
part# This is the bike manufacturer part number. (ID) logo is the mark on the spoke head.
MM# nipple It comes with the nipple specified, but other nipple widths and styles may be optional.
MM# (specs are part #) S P O K E S F O R S A L E
mm thickness style MM w/nut M36 MMMMM (ID) MM# F = front R = rear -R = right -L = left
length ↓ gauge ↓ thread price price x part# x logo nipple rim description application
090 2.0 14g renni 0.45 $1.50 $00 01010100 ( ) 20a
116 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 01010100 ( ) 32b 12″F,R
126 3.5 09g renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 01010100 ( ) 35b 12″F,R
127 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 01010100 ( ) 32a 12″F,R generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
135 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 01010100 ( ) 32a 00″F generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
138 2.9–2.6 inn.A 0.45 $4.20 97108.32118.F0 ) 26j 14″R 82-83 Honda NU50 Urban Express
138 2.9–2.6 out.B 0.45 $4.20 97164.32116.F0 ) 26j same same
141 2.6–2.3 inn.A 0.45 none! 42607.191.325( ) 23d 14″R 81-83 Honda NC50 Express, NA50 Express II
141 2.6–2.3 out.B 0.45 none! 97081.22121.80 ) 23d same same
142 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 01010001 (A) 25b 14″F,R 65-85 Italian 28h 2x
143 2.0 14g renni 0.45 $0.80 $15 55557010 ( ) 20b 14″F,R thinner substitute, needs thin washer under nut
144 2.3 13g inn.A 0.45 none! 42606.147.305 ( ) 23d 14″F,R 77 Honda NC50 Express
144 2.3 13g out.B 0.45 none! 42607.147.305 ( ) 23d 14″R 77 Honda NC50 Express
144 2.3 13g inn.A 0.45 none! 42606.147.315 ( ) 23d 14″F 78-79 Honda NC50 Express, NA50 Express II
144 2.6–2.3 out.B 0.45 none! 42607.147.315 ( ) 23d 14″R 78-80 Honda NC50 Express
144 2.6–2.3 inn.A 0.45 none! 42607.147.325 ( ) 23d 14″R 78-80 Honda NC50, NA50, F 80-83 NC50, NA50
144 2.6 12g renni 0.45 none! 55320-02202 (set of 28) 14″F,R 81-90 Suzuki FA50 Shuttle
144 2.6 12g renni 0.45 none! 3L5.251.0400(set of 28) 14″F,R 79-80 Yamaha QT50 Yamahopper
144 2.6 12g renni 0.45 $1.50 $36 01010111 ( ) 26c 14″F,R generic 12 gauge replacement spoke
144 2.9–2.6 renni 0.45 none! 3L5.251.0401(set of 28) 14″F,R 80-90 Yamaha QT50 Yamahopper
145 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 14223001 (A) 30b 16″R 77-80 Vespa Bravo,Grande, nut#114216
145 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $2.50 $00 01010100 (B) 32b 16″R generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
148 2.9 11g outer 0.55 $3.00 $00 01010100 ( ) 29b
148 2.9 11g inner 0.55 $3.00 $00 01010100 ( ) 29b
148 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 none! $00 23314701 (A) 30c 16″R “145” 03-13 Tomos Revival, Streetmate A55
150 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 23273301 (A) 30c 16″R-R “149” 01-03 Tomos Revival A35
151 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.50 $00 01010100 (A) 25d 16″F 36h 2X 65-85 Italian wheels Ø105 Grimeca hub
152 2.4 15J renni 0.55 none! $00 01010100 (*) 24a 16″R 71-82 Solex 5000 (to 7027299)
152 2.7-2.4 renni 0.55 none! $00 01010100 (*) 24a 16″R 81-82 Solex 5000 (7027300 up)
152 2.7 16J renni 0.55 $3.00 $72 21913500 (A) 27a 16″F,R 84-91 Tomos A3 Bullet
152 3.5–3.2 renni 0.65 $2.50 $00 01010000 ( ) 32a 17″F off-road
153 3.5 g9g inner 0.65 $2.50 $00 01010100 ( ) 35a 17″F off-road
153 3.5 09g outer 0.65 $2.00 $00 01010100 ( ) 35a same same
154 2.7 16J renni 0.55 $3.00 $00 21353401 (A) 27a 16″F,R 79-83 Tomos A3 Bullet
154 3.0 17J renni 0.60 $2.50 $00 53582011 (C) 30e 17″F 76-79 Motobecane 40
155 2.2 2.2i renni 0.45 $2.50 $00 01010100 (A) 22a 16″F,R 36h 2X 65-85 Italian thin
155 2.4–2.2 renni 0.45 $2.00 $45 01010100 (Я) 22b 16″F,R substitute for 155 Ø2.5 Italian
155 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.50 $00 20707901 (A) 25c 16″F,R 74-78 Tomos A3 Automatic, Bullet
155 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $3.00 $00 01010100 ( ) 32a 00″F generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
156 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $3.00 $00 12003501 (A) 25d 16″F,R 36h 2X 65-85 Italian wheels Ø90 Grimeca hub
156 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.50 $00 00093201 (R) 22e 16″F 36h 2x 65-85 Italian wheels, 76-85 Garelli
156 2.7-2.4xrenni 0.55 $1.50 $36 01010100 (∗) 24a,24b ” F thicker substitute for 156 Ø2.5 Italian
157 2.9 11g renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 01010100 (M) 29c 16″F,R straight spoke 84-86 Derbi SL
157 3.0 17J renni 0.60 none! $00 23041000 (C) 30e 16″R 77-79 Motobecane Model 7
159 2.6 12g inn.A 0.45 $3.80 970642115810( ) 26d 17″R 78 Honda PA50 Hobbit
159 2.6 12g out.B 0.45 $3.80 971602115410( ) 26j 17″R same but different nipple
159 4.0 o8g renni 0.80 $2.50 $00 01010101 ( ) 40a 00″F generic 8 gauge replacement spoke
160 2.3 13g renni 0.45 $1.00 $27 055005a1 (♣) 23b 16″F 76-77 Sparta Foxi GT/Buddy
160 2.3 13g renni 0.45 $1.20 $32 05500501 (U) 23a same same
160 2.6 12g renni 0.50 $1.50 $36 05550601 (♣) 26n 16″R 76-77 Sparta Foxi GT/Buddy
160 2.6 12g inner 0.45 $2.00 $54 01010100 (∴) 26d 16″F 82-86 Trac Clipper, Eagle, Hawk, Sprint
160 2.6 12g outer 0.45 $2.50 $54 01010100 (∴) 26d same same
160 2.6 12g inner 0.50 $2.00 $00 07401601 ( ) 26k 16″F,R 76-83 Jawa 207
160 2.6 12g outer 0.50 $2.50 $00 07402201 ( ) 26k same same
160 2.9 11g inner 0.55 $2.00 $00 01010100 ( ) 29b 16″F,R Taiwan wheel, like Indian but 16″
160 2.9 11g outer 0.55 $2.50 $00 01010100 ( ) 29b same same
160 3.0–2.6 renni 0.50 $2.00 $54 55006Uxx (♣) 26n 16″R 76-77 Sparta upgrade
160 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $4.50 $00 G6860900 (A) 30b 17″F painted silver 78-80 Vespa Grande
160 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 11450100 (A) 30a 17″R nut#114216 70s-80s Vespa Ciao
160 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 11450100 (A) 30c 17″R nut#164591 90s-00s Vespa Ciao
160 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $2.50 $00 01010100 ( ) 32a 00″F generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
162 3.2 10g outer 0.65 $3.00 $00 11515470 ( ) 32c 17″R 83-84 AMS, F,R 84-90 Trac Olympic, Liberty
162 3.2 10g inner 0.65 $3.00 $00 11515469 ( ) 32c same same
163 2.6 12g renni 0.50 $2.00 $00 01001001 (♣) 26p 17″R-L 77-80 Kynast Flying Dutchman
165 2.4 15J renni 0.55 $1.50 $36 51492(C)(*)(+)24a 17″F 76-80 Peugeot 102, 103
165 3.0 17J renni 0.60 $2.20 $45 40173000 (♣) 30d 16″R-L 76-77 Batavus VA/HS50/Starflite (Ø70)
166 4.0 g8g renni 0.80 $2.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 40a 00″F generic 8 gauge replacement spoke
167 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 13611100 (R) 25b 16″F 76-80 Vespa Bravo
167 2.7–2.4 renni 0.55 $2.00 $36 52951000 (B) 24a 17″R 76-80 Peugeot 103
167 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $3.50 $00 01010100 (A) 30c
167 3.2 10g outer 0.65 $2.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 32c 17″R
168 2.6 12g renni 0.50 $2.00 $00 01001001 (♣) 26p 17″F,R-R 77-80 Kynast Flying Dutchman
168 2.9 11g renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 65135020 (E) 29c 17″F,R straight spoke 76-83 Derbi Variant SL/TT
168 3.0 17J renni 0.60 $2.00 $45 19625000 (C) 30e 17″F 76-80 Motobecane 50/50V (big hub)
168 3.0 17J renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 40172000 (♣) 30d 16″R-R 76-77 Batavus VA/HS50/Starflite (Ø70 drum)
169 2.6 12g renni 0.50 $2.00 $00 40210 (♣) (U) 26q 16″F 76-77 Batavus VA/HS50/Mobat/Bronco/Starflite
171 2.6 12g outer 0.45 $3.00 $00 11505470 ( ) 26c 17″R 77-83 General 5-Star/Lazer/Grycner, 83-84 AMS
171 2.6 12g outer 0.45 $1.50 $00 21505470 ( ) 26c 17″R goldish color 78-83 Grycner Floozie
171 2.6 12g inner 0.45 $2.00 $00 11505469 ( ) 26c 17″R 77-83 General 5 Star/Lazer/Grycner, 83-84 AMS
171 2.6 12g inner 0.45 $1.50 $00 21505469 ( ) 26c 17″R goldish color 78-83 Grycner Floozie
171 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $3.50 $00 H46A (A) (R) 25d 16″R Italian 3x 77-80 Malaguti Commuter
172 2.7–2.4 renni 0.55 $2.50 $00 47143 (C) (B) 24a 17″R 1980 Peugeot 102 SP
173 2.4–2.2 renni 0.55 $2.00 $00 19755000 (C) 22b 16″F 77-79 Motobecane Model 7
173 2.2 2.2i renni 0.45 $2.50 $00 00110100 (A) 22a 16″F 70’s Italian only one available
173 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 50315100 (R) 25e 16″F 76-86 Garelli Gulpmatic
173 2.6 12g renni 0.45 $2.00 $00 00101001 (∴) 26i 16″F,R American 79-83 AMF Roadmaster
173 3.0 17J renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 40221000 (♣) 30d 16″R 78-80 Batavus Regency (Ø80 drum Leleu hub)
173 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 32a 00″F generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
174 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 50060100 (R) 25e 16″R 77-80 Garelli Rally Sport/G.Sport/S.Sport/Gulp
174 2.6 12g outer 0.45 $2.00 $00 35504000 (∴) 26d 17″F 86-88 Trac DH100
174 2.6 12g inner 0.45 $2.00 $00 35503000 (∴) 26d same same
174 3.0 3.0i renni 0.65 $3.00 $00 50685100 (R) 30g 16″R 76-80 Garelli Sport HD (with M12 R axle)
174 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 01001001 (A) 30c 16″R Italian wheels 3X Ø90 Grimeca hub
174 3.0 17J renni 0.60 $2.00 $45 21195000 (C) 30e 17″R 76-80 Motobecane 40/50/50V (small Leleu hub)
176 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 01001001 (A) 25a 16″R Italian wheels 3X Ø90 Grimeca hub
176 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 none! $00 22679900 (A) 30a 17″F-L-0ut 01-03 Tomos Revival A35
176 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 none! $00 24317000 (A) 30a 17″F 03-13 Tomos Revival, Streetmate A55
176 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $3.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 32a 00″F generic 10 gauge replacement spoke
177 2.6 12g outer 0.45 $2.00 $00 11505074 ( ) 26c 17″F 77-83 General 5 Star/Lazer Sport 50
177 2.6 12g inner 0.45 $2.00 $00 11505073 ( ) 26c same same
177 2.9 11g inner 0.55 $2.50 $00 14100500 ( ) 29a 17″F,R 78-83 Indian 4-Stroke
177 2.9 11g outer 0.55 none $00 14200500 ( ) 29a same same
177 3.5 09g renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 000 (jw)or( ) 32a 00″F generic 9 gauge replacement spoke
179 2.4 15J renni 0.55 none! $00 01001001 (*) 24a 16″F , 71-82 Solex 5000 Compact
179 2.6 12g renni 0.45 $2.00 $00 0000(∪)or( ) 26b 17″F,R 77-83 Angel (TYM)
180 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 01001001 (A) 25b
182 2.5 2.5i renni 0.60 $2.00 $00 14282600 (A) 25b 17″F nut#101830 74-86 Vespa Ciao
182 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 23279800 (A) 30c 17″F-R, F-L-in “180” 01-03 Tomos Revival A35
182 4.0–3.5 inner 0.65 $3.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 35a
182 4.0–3.5 outer 0.65 $3.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 35a
185 2.6 12g renni 0.45 none $00 01001001 ( ) 26f 17″F,R 77-80 Colombia Commuter/Open Road
186 2.3 13g renni 0.45 $3.00 $00 24111110 (U) 23a 17″F,R 76-83 Hercules with 1 chain, wide dimpled rims
186 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $2.00 $00 01001001 (Δ) 30f 17″F,R unknown
187 2.5 2.5i renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 50320300 (R) 25e 17″F,R 78-86 Garelli Gran/Rally/Super Sport, F VIP
187 2.5 2.5i renni 0.55 $3.00 $00 01001001 (Б) 25a 17″F,R DT stainless 78 Puch Maxi Luxe, Magnum XK
187 2.6 12g renni 0.50 $2.00 $00 24003010 ( ) 26l 17″F,R 77-86 Puch deluxe models with wide rims
188 2.3 13g renni 0.45 $2.50 $00 24111050 (U) 23a 17″R-L (189) 76-83 Hercules with 2-chains, thin rims
188 2.5 2.5i renni 0.55 $2.50 $54 12100710 (Б) 25a 17″F,R-L DT stainless 77-80 KTM Foxi Deluxe/Salsberg
188 2.5 2.5i renni 0.55 $2.00 $00 01001001 (Б) 25a 17″F,R-L DT zinc finish 70’s Flandria with thin steel rim
188 2.6 12g renni 0.50 $1.50 $20 54003010 ( ) 26l 17″F,R 74-86 Puch Maxi/Newport/others, 78 Sears, JC P.
188 3.0 3.0i renni 0.65 $3.00 $00 50320400 (R) 30g 17″R 78-86 Garelli VIP
188 3.0 3.0i renni 0.60 $3.00 $00 01001001 (A) 30a 17″R Italian wheels 3X Ø90 Grimeca hub
188 3.5 09g renni 0.65 $2.50 $00 01001001 ( ) 35b 17″F stainless generic 9G, shiny new
189 2.3 13g renni 0.45 none! $00 26501020 (♣) 23b 17″F chrome 77-80 Kreidler MP-9 Flory
190 2.3 13g renni 0.45 $3.00 $00 24111070 (♣) 23b 17″F,R-R (191) 76-83 Hercules with 2-chains, thin rims
190 2.5 2.5i renni 0.55 $3.00 $00 01001001 (Б) 25a 17″R-R DT stainless 70’s Flandria with deep alum. rim
190 2.6 12g renni 0.50 $2.50 $00 01001001 ( ) 26m 17″F Inox stainless Puch Maxi 70-77 only 4 available
190 2.7–2.4 renni 0.55 $3.00 $00 61359000 (C) 24a 19″R 70-80 Solex 3800, 4600, 4600 V2 nut 61797
190 3.0–2.6 renni 0.50 $4.00 $00 26511020 (♣) 26n 17″R chrome 77-80 Kreidler Flory only 1 available
191 2.6 12g renni 0.45 $2.00 $36 01001001 ( ) 26h 17″F,R shiny new Taiwan-made replacement spokes
191 2.6 12g renni 0.50 $2.00 $00 54003010 ( ) 26m 17″R 70-77 Puch Maxi (thin rim small dimples)
192 2.4 15J renni 0.55 none! $00 01001001 (C) 24a 19″R , 64-66 Solex 3300 (Ø83 drum), 66-69 Solex 3800
192 2.5 2.5i renni 0.55 $3.00 $72 10100710 (Б) 25a 17″R-R DT stainless 77-80 KTM Foxi Deluxe/Salsberg
192 2.5 2.5i renni 0.55 $2.50 $00 01001001 (Б) 25a 17″R-R DT zinc finish 70’s Flandria with thin steel rim
192 3.0 3.0i renni 0.65 $3.00 $00 01001001 (♣) 30g 17″F only one! German spoke with Italian threads
192 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $1.80 $28 01001001 ( ) 32a 00″F generic 10 gauge replacement spoke, new shiny
193 2.6 12g renni 0.50 $2.50 $00 01001001 ( ) 26m 17″R 1977-79 Puch Rigid (GN) hard tail Ø70 rear hub
195 2.6 12g renni 0.45 $2.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 26c 19″F-R,R-R re-made for 54-68 Sears Allstate only 1 left
195 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $2.00 $36 01001001 ( ) 32a 00″F generic 10 gauge replacement spoke, new shiny
196 2.5 2.5i renni 0.50 none! $00 01001001 ( ) n/a 19″F-R,R-R 54-68 Sears Allstate
198 2.4 15J renni 0.55 none! $00 00101010 (C) 24a 19″R , 64-66 Solex 3300 (with Ø70 brake drum)
198 2.6 12g inn.A 0.45 none! 97197212351 ( ) n/a 19″R 69-70 Honda PC50(USA), PC50A
198 2.6 12g out.A 0.45 none! 97324212341 ( ) n/a same same
200 2.6 12g renni 0.45 $2.00 $00 01001001 (Δ) 26e 19″R (could substitute for 198 with a thin washer)
201 3.5–3.2 inner 0.65 $2.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 32b 18″F , 70’s Honda CB200
201 3.5–3.2 outer 0.65 $2.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 32b same same
202 2.3 13g inn.A 0.45 none! 97142112451 ( ) n/a 19″F 69-77 Honda PC50(USA), PC50A, PC50M, PC50K1
202 2.3 13g out.A 0.45 none! 97241112441 ( ) n/a same same
204 2.5 2.5i renni 0.50 none! $00 01001001 ( ) n/a 19″F-L,R-L 54-68 Sears Allstate
212 3.5 g9G renni 0.65 $2.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 35b 19″F , stainless 9 gauge only 1 available
218 2.3 13g renni 0.45 $4.50 $00 01001001 ( ) 23c 19″F , re-made for 70-74 Solex 3800, 4600
219 2.4 15J renni 0.55 $3.00 $00 61358 (+)(*) 24a 19″F , 75-79 Solex 4600 V2 (Motobecane) nut 61797
224 2.3 13g renni 0.45 $4.50 $00 01001001 ( ) 23c 19″F,R re-make for 58-64 Solex, F 64-69 Solex
245 3.2 10g renni 0.65 $2.50 $00 01001001 ( ) 32a 20″F,R generic 10 gauge replacement spoke only 1 avail.
263 2.6 12g renni 0.45 $1.50 $00 01001001 ( ) 26a 22″F,R bicycle with 26″ tire
270 2.6 12g renni 0.45 $1.50 $00 01001001 ( ) 26a same same
296 2.0–1.7 renni 0.45 $2.00 $00 01001001 ( ) 17a 24″F,R only 3 available (nipple not shown)
Why so many? Myrons Mopeds parts inventory is from about 20-30 moped shops from the Los Angeles area that closed in the 1980’s or 90’s. Each shop carried different moped brands and parts. Add to that, 200 mopeds that were stripped for parts. That is why there is such a large variety of 200 different, mostly original spokes, new and used.
4. Spoke Nipples
Vintage moped spokes have many thread sizes, so that the nipples do not usually interchange. Besides thread, spoke nipples can have different widths for different rim holes. The information below explains all of the variety. Hopefully, shops and individuals that have nipple-less spokes or spoke-less nipples will understand why, and maybe find matches.
p art nipple thread x spoke maker nut S P O K E N I P P L E S
no.. diam diam-pitch ID maker ID (most are only sold with spokes)
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Nipples for 2.0 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 14 Gauge
20a 3.95 2.23-0.45 ( ) bicycle x ( ) there are more not listed here
20b 3.85 2.23-0.45 ( ) bike long ( ) for deeper double-wall rims
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Nipples for 2.2 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 14 Jauge Française
22a 4.50 2.45-0.45 (A) Alpina x (A) some 70’s Italian front
22b 4.45 2.45-0.45 (*) French hex
22c 4.95 2.45-0.45 (R) Redaelli (◊) some Italian F, mark is a hexagon
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Nipples for 2.3 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 13 Gauge
23a 4.95 2.55-0.45 (U) Unionx (U) 70’s Hercules 2-chain models
23b 4.95 2.55-0.45 (♣) Berg xx (♣) same (Union = Berg, they’re the same)
23c 4.15 2.55-0.45 ( ) generic ( ) modern replacement
23d 4.65 2.55-0.45 ( ) Hon.slot ( ) Honda slot head for 77-83 NC50
23e 4.65 2.55-0.45 ( ) Hon.phil ( ) Honda phillips head 77-83 NC50
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Nipples for 2.4 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 15 Jauge Française
24a 4.60 2.65-0.55 (C) French hex 70’s Motobecane front, Peugeot F&R
24b 4.95 2.65-0.55 (*) French (s s) some 70’s Solex, some MB “7” front
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Nipples for 2.5 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 2.5 Calibro Italiano
25a 4.95 2.75-0.55 (Б) DT Swiss (Б) 70’s Austrian KTM, some Puch
25b 4.95 2.75-0.65 (A) Alpinax (A) many 70’s Italian, Vespa 101830
25c 4.95 2.75-0.65 (A) Alpinax (A) same except chamfer, 1974-77 Tomos
25d 4.95 2.75-0.65 (A) Alp.flat (A) 70’s Italian, many brands
25e 4.95 2.75-0.65 (R) Redaelli(◊) same as 25b, nipple mark is a hexagon
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Nipples for 2.6 mm Spokes 0.45 thread 12 Gauge = 0.105 inch
26a 4.70 2.85-0.45 ( ) bicycle x ( ) heavy duty spokes
26b 5.05 2.85-0.45 (∪) Union 2 (∪) Taiwan style
26c 4.80 2.85-0.45 ( ) Taiwan ( ) 80’s General, Lazer (Jui Li)
26d 5.05 2.85-0.45 (∴) Korean ( ) 80’s Trac (Daelim or Kia)
26e 4.60 2.85-0.45 (Δ) “Delta” (s s) unknown
26f 4.65 2.85-0.45 ( ) USA dark (C) ‘76-83 Columbia
26g 4.55 2.85-0.45 ( ) Taiwan (Ð) unknown
26h 4.90 2.85-0.45 ( ) Taiwan (o) unknown
26i 4.55 2.85-0.45 (∴) USA dark (∴) ’78-83 AMF Roadmaster
26j 5.10 2.85-0.45 ( ) Honda ( ) Honda NC50, PA50, others
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Nipples for 2.6 mm Spokes 0.50 thread M3-0.50 12 Gauge = 0.105″
26k 5.60 2.85-0.50 ( ) Czech xx ( ) 70’s Jawa xxxxx xxxxx xxx
26l 5.40 2.85-0.50 ( ) Puch xxx hex most 70’s Puch 349.140.0311
26m 5.50 2.85-0.50 ( ) Puch xxx ( ) some 70’s Puch xxxxx
26n 4.95 2.85-0.50 (♣) Berg xxx (♣) thin, for Ø5.3 holes, 70’s Sparta
26o 5.05 2.85-0.50 (U) Union xx (U) thin, same as Berg xxxx
26p 4.95 2.85-0.50 (♣) Berg flat (♣) thin flat, for Ø5.3 holes
26q 5.40 2.85-0.50 (♣) Berg wide(♣) wide, for Ø5.8 holes, 70’s Bat. F
26r 4.55 2.85-0.50 (♣) Berg long (♣) thin long, for short spokes
26s 5.40 2.85-0.50 (♣) Berg w.fl. (♣) wide flat (not shown)
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Nipples for 2.7 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 17 Jauge Française
27a 5.40 2.95-0.55 (A) Alpina (A) ’78-91 Tomos
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Nipples for 2.9 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 11 Gauge
29a 5.00 3.15-0.55 ( ) Taiwan ( ) ’78-83 Indian
29b 5.05 3.15-0.55 ( ) Taiwan ( )
29c 5.60 3.15-0.60 (M) Spain x (E) says E C E, 70’s-80’s Derbi
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Nipples for 3.0 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 3.0 Italiano, 18J Française
30a 5.90 3.25-0.60 (A) Alpina (A) 70s-80s Italian, 70s-80s Vespa 114216
30b 5.90 3.25-0.60 (A) Alp dark (A) same but dark finish
30c 5.90 3.25-0.60 (A) Alp. flat (A) 90s-00s Tomos, 90s-00s Vespa 164591
30c 5.90 3.25-0.60 (A) Alp. flat (A) 30c replaced 30a in the 1990’s
30d 5.45 3.33-0.60 (♣) Berg w. (♣) for Ø5.84 holes, 70’s Bat. R M3.5-0.6
30e 5.40 3.25-0.60 (C) French hex 70’s Motobecane rear 17859
30f 5.25 3.25-0.60 (Δ) “Delta” ( ) unknown, Asia style Euro thread nipple
30g 6.15 3.25-0.65 (R) Redaelli (◊) like 30a, but 0.65 thread, mark is a hex.
30h nipple 3.25 – 0.65 (R) Redaelli (◊) 70’s Italian heavy duty, Garelli VIP
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Nipples for 3.2 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 10 Gauge
32a 5.85 3.45-0.65 ( ) generic x ( ) for replacement spokes
32b 5.85 3.45-0.65 ( ) Honda x ( ) 1970’s Honda CB200
32c 0.00 3.45-0.65 ( ) Korean ( ) 80’s Trac, 80’s AMS
32d 0.00 3.45-0.65 ( ) Taiwan ( )
32e 0.00 3.45-0.65 ( ) Yamaha ( ) 1978 Yamaha YZ100
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Nipples for 3.5 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 9 Gauge
35a 6.60 3.75-0.65 ( ) Taiwan ( ) or Japan
35b 0.00 3.75-0.65 ( ) generic x ( ) for replacement spokes
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Nipples for 4.0 mm Spokes xxxxxxxx 8? Gauge
40a 0.00 4.30-0.80
5. Spoke Threads Explained
Standards: In the 1800’s the world’s steel wire manufacturers developed standards for wire products like spokes or nails. Each country chose one of several standards for wire size (thickness). For spokes, the thread style and pitch, were also chosen to follow each country’s thread standards.
Families: A “family” of spokes is made of many different lengths, with several different threads and thicknesses, that all obey the same standards. In vintage mopeds, the main spoke families are USA, Japan, Germany, France, and Italy. What family a spoke is in matters when the nipple is missing. A nipple from one family will often not fit a similar sized spoke from a different family. Or it might fit loosely and then fail later by stripping off the threads.
Gauge: This word means two things, 1) the size of a particular wire, and 2) the set of all wire sizes. So when you say the wire gauge you have to specify the wire “gauge” also. So a wire spoke from a Harley Davidson might be a “9 gauge spoke (US Steel Wire Gauge)”. But if it’s from a Honda it would be a “9 gauge spoke (British Standard Wire Gauge). The two 9 gauge spokes have slightly different thicknesses. They both are 9 gauge but belong to different gauges. That’s confusing!
Gauge numbers get larger as wire size gets smaller. This backward numbering originated in the 1700’s, from the drawing of a cold steel rod through smaller and smaller holes. With each pass through a smaller die hole, the rod gets thinner and longer. The original gauge was the number of passes it took to make the wire. That’s why smaller wires have bigger gauge numbers.
Rolled threads: Spokes have rolled threads, rather than cut threads. Rolled threads have thread tops higher than the plain spoke (thread diameter greater than wire diameter). Rolled threads can be any diameter, for any wire diameter. The different wire diameters, and the different thread pitches, is why there are so many different vintage moped spoke threads.
Moped Spoke Families and Thread Sizes
US Steel Wire Gauge (aka Washburn & Moen)
used by USA on American mopeds: Columbia and AMF
2.03 14 0- 2.32 13 0- 2.68 12 0- 3.06 11 0- 3.43 10 0- 3.77 0 9 0- 4.11 0 8 <thickness gauge
2.23-0.45 2.52-0.45 2.88-0.45 3.29-0.53 3.68-0.60 4.07-0.63 4.46-0.79 <thread diam-pitch
British Standard Wire Gauge (aka Imperial or Birmingham)
used by England, Japan, Taiwan, most other vintage spokes and most modern spokes
2.03 14 0- 2.34 13 0- 2.64 12 0- 2.95 11 0- 3.25 10 0- 3.66 0 9 0- 4.06 0 8 <thickness gauge
2.23-0.45 2.54-0.45 2.84-0.45 3.18-0.55 3.55-0.65 3.96-0.65 4.41-0.80 <thread diam-pitch
Jauge de Paris 1857 (French Wire Gauge)
used by France on French mopeds: Motobecane, Peugeot and Solex
2.00 13 0- 2.20 14 0- 2.40 15 0- 2.70 16 0- 3.00 17 0- 3.40 18 0- 3.90 19 0<thickness gauge
2.20-0.45 2.40-0.45 2.63-0.55 2.93-0.55 3.25-0.60 3.65-0.60 4.25-0.80 <thread diam-pitch
Imperial/Metrische (Imperial & Metric Thread) on Kreidler, Kynast, Solo, Sparta
used by Germany, Austria, Holland, Czechia on Batavus, Hercules (Sachs), Jawa, KTM, Puch
2.03 14 .0-2.34 13 ..-2.58 M3 ..-3.03 M3.5 ..3.45 M4 ..3.91 M4.5 ..4.40 M5 <thickness gauge
2.23-0.45 2.54-0.45 2.81-0.50 3.28-0.60 3.85-0.70 4.30-0.75 4.80-0.80 <thread diam-pitch
Calibro per Filo Metrico (Metric Wire Gauge) on Tomos, Vespa, Safari, Testi
used by Italy, Slovenia on bikes with Italian spoke wheels, Cimatti, Garelli, Malaguti, Pacer
2.00 2.00 2.25 2.25 . 2.50 2.50 2.75 2.75 3.00 3.00 3.50 M4 0 4.00 M4.5 <thickness gauge
2.20-0.45 2.45-0.45 2.80-0.65 3.05-0.65 3.30-0.60 3.88-0.70 4.38-0.75 <thread diam-pitch
2.20-0.45 2.45-0.45 2.80-0.65 3.05-0. or 3.30-0.65
DT Swiss (vintage) spoke threads, Switzerland on KTM and some Puch
2.00 2.00 2.25 2.25 . 2.50 2.50 2.75 2.75 3.00 3.00 3.50 M4 0 4.00 M4.5 <thickness gauge
2.20-0.45 2.45-0.45 2.75-0.55 3.05-0.65 3.30-0.60 3.88-0.70 4.38-0.80 <thread diam-pitch
Derbi (vintage) spoke threads, Spain on Derbi
2.00 0 14 . 2.25 2.25 . 2.50 2.50 2.95 0 11 0 3.00 3.00 3.50 M4 4.00 M4.5 <thickness gauge
2.20-0.45 2.45-0.45 2.80-0.65 3.23-0.60 3.30-0.60 3.88-0.70 4.38-0.80<thread diam-pitch
6. Spoke Length Calculation
Calculation allows error checking. Reported spoke lengths must agree with calculated spoke lengths. When they disagree, an error is exposed. Then the specifications are checked and the erroneous one is found and corrected. Most, but not all, spokes in the Spokes for Sale List above have been verified correct by calculation.
Calculation allows predicting. When changing hubs, rims, or spoke patterns, the spoke length changes. The new length can be predicted by calculation.
The plane of the rim holes contains a triangle with sides Rr , Hr and Lr. Perpendicular to that is a right triangle with sides Lr, Hd and hypotenuse L.
θ is calculated from the number of spokes h and the cross pattern x. Lr is calculated from Hr, Rr and θ by the law of cosines. L is calculated from Lr and Hd by the Pythagorean theorem.
rim (in inches) = rim size = diameter at tire seat
Rd = rim depth, spoke end to tire seat
Rr (in mm) = rim radius at spoke rim-end
A (in mm) = (rim*25.4)/2 -Rd = rim*12.7-Rd
Hr (in mm) = hub radius at spoke hub-end
L and R hub holes are staggered, to make all spokes equal
otherwise spokes are 2 long, 2 short, 2 long, 2 short, etc.
h = # of spokes x = # of crosses
θ = 2*3.14*x/(h/2) = 12.56*x/h
Hd (in mm) = hub depth, hub hole plane to rim hole plane
L and R rim holes are staggered, with separate rim hole planes
L and R can have separate hub “depths”, not necessarily equal
L (in mm) = spoke length
Lr² = Rr² + Hr² – 2*Lr*Hr*cos(θ)
L² = Hd² + Lr²
h 0 x rim Rd Hr 0 Hd L(calc) L(listed)
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Leleu Ø70, front 46x20, rear 46x20 hubs
(actual Hr is 44, but spoke holes are paired with
uneven spacing, so that the equivalent Hr is 46)
28 1 17 6.0 46.0 20 170.8 171 R Peugeot 102
36 2 16 7.0 46.0 23 165.3 168 R-right Batavus VA
36 2 16 7.0 46.0 17 164.5 165 R-left Batavus VA
36 2 16 6.0 46.0 20 165.8 167 R Motobecane 7
28 2 16 6.0 46.0 20 173.4 173 F Motobecane 7
Taiwan Ø80, front 49x15, rear 51.5x20 hubs
32 2 17 7.5 49.0 15 177.8 177 F General, small hub
32 2 17 6.5 49.0 15 178.8 179 F Angel, Speed Bird
32 3 17 7.5 51.5 20 195.6 000 unknown application
32 2 17 7.5 51.5 20 176.4 177 R General, small hub
32 2 17 6.5 51.5 20 177.9 179 R Angel, Speed Bird
Leleu Ø80 front 52x18, rear 52x23, 52x29 hubs
28 1 16 7.5 52.0 23 152.3 152 R Solex 5000
28 1 17 6.5 52.0 18 165.1 165 F Peugeot 103, 102
28 1 17 6.5 52.0 29 166.6 167 R Peugeot 103
28 1 19 7.5 52.0 23 189.7 190 R Solex 4600
28 2 16 7.0 52.0 18 169.7 169 F Batavus VA
28 2 16 7.0 52.0 29 171.2 173 R Batavus Regency
36 2 17 6.5 52.0 18 173.7 175 F Motobecane
36 2 16 8.0 52.0 18 160.0 160 F Sparta Foxi
36 2 16 8.0 52.0 29 161.5 160 R Sparta Foxi
36 2 17 6.5 52.0 29 175.2 175 R Motobecane
36 2 17 8.0 52.0 29 173.8 173 R Puch (hard tail)
36 3 17 8.0 52.0 18 188.3 188 F Puch (thin rim)
36 3 17 9.5 52.0 18 186.8 187 F Puch (wide rim
36 3 17 8.0 52.0 29 189.6 188 R Puch (thin rim)
36 3 17 9.5 52.0 29 188.1 187 R Puch (wide rim)
36 3 17 7.0 52.0 29 190.6 190 R Kreidler Flory
Left and right are treated separately.
Most hubs are the same, left and right.
But this Hercules 2-chain hub is not!
The rim is still centered in the frame.
Yuan Ta Ø90 front 57.5x20, rear 57.5x23 hubs
32 2 17 9.0 57.5 20 172.2 172 F AMS
32 2 17 7.5 57.5 20 173.8 175 F Indian
32 2 17 7.5 57.5 23 174.1 175 R Indian
32 2 16 8.5 57.5 20 160.5 160 F Trac
32 2 16 8.5 57.5 23 160.9 160 R Trac
Grimeca Ø90 front 56.5x20, rear 56.5x20 hubs
28 2 14 9.0 56.5 20 142.1 142 F&R Italian mini
28 2 16 9.0 56.5 20 166.1 167 F Vespa Bravo
28 2 17 6.0 56.5 20 181.2 182 F Vespa Ciao
36 2 16 9.0 56.5 20 156.5 156 F&R Italian wheels H-46A
36 2 16 9.0 56.5 20 156.5 156 F Garelli Super Sport
36 3 16 7.0 56.5 20 172.1 172 F&R Italian wheels H-46
36 3 16 9.0 56.5 20 174.1 173 F&R Italian wheels H-46B
36 3 17 9.0 56.5 20 186.3 188 F&R Italian wheels H-46D
36 2 17 7.5 56.5 20 170.2 170 F Kynast Flying Dutchman
36 3 17 6.0 56.5 20 189.3 190 F Hercules (thin rim)
36 3 17 8.5 56.5 20 186.8 186 F Hercules (wide rim)
36 3 17 7.5 56.5 20 187.8 188 F KTM Foxi
36 3 17 9.0 56.5 20 186.3 187 F Garelli Super Sport
Grimeca Ø90 wide rear 59x29, 59×64x29, 59×64x36 hubs
36 2 17 10.5 59.0 29 167.1 168 R-right Kynast
36 2 17 10.5 64.0 29 165.2 163 R-left Kynast (bigger left flange)
36 3 17 6.5 59.0 26 188.8 190 R-right Hercules (2-chain)
36 3 17 6.5 64.0 32 188.6 188 R-left Hercules (bigger left flange)
36 3 17 6.5 59.0 34 190.1 192 R-right KTM Foxi
36 3 17 6.5 64.0 38 189.7 188 R-left KTM (bigger left flange)
36 3 16 9.0 59.0 29 174.8 174 R Garelli Rally Sport, Super Sport
36 3 17 9.0 59.0 29 187.3 188 R Garelli Rally Sport, Super Sport
Tomos Ø90 front 62x20, 65x20, rear 62x23, 65x23 hubs
36 2 16 8.0 62.0 20 154.3 155 F Tomos A3 ’74-78
36 2 16 8.0 62.0 20 154.3 154 F Tomos A3 ’79-83
36 2 16 8.0 65.0 20 152.6 152 F Tomos A3 ’84-91 black
36 2 16 8.0 62.0 23 154.7 155 R Tomos A3 ’74-78
36 2 16 8.0 62.0 23 154.7 154 R Tomos A3 ’79-83
36 2 16 8.0 65.0 23 153.0 152 R Tomos A3 ’84-91 black
Grimeca Ø105 front 63.5x20, 63.5x29, 69x20, rear 63.5x27, 69x26
36 3 16 9.0 63.5 20 172.6 173 F HD Garelli Gulp
36 3 17 9.0 63.5 20 184.6 187 F HD Garelli VIP
36 3 17 9.5 63.5 29 185.4 185 F HD Columbia (tube frame)
36 3 17 9.5 63.5 27 185.0 185 R HD Columbia (tube frame)
36 3 17 9.5 69.0 20 183.0 185 F HD Columbia (sheet frame)
36 3 17 9.5 69.0 26 183.8 185 R HD Columbia (sheet frame)
36 2 17 10.5 69.0 20 160.1 160 F HD Vespa Grande
Tomos Ø105 rear 69x23 hub
36 2 16 10.5 69.0 23 148.5 148 R Tomos Streetmate 233147
Taiwan Ø110 front 67x20, rear 67x23 hubs
36 2 17 9.5 67.5 20 161.9 162 F Trac Liberty, Olympic
36 2 17 9.5 67.5 23 162.2 162 R Trac Liberty, Olympic
36 2 17 9.0 67.5 23 162.7 162 R AMS Sierra 50
Vespa Ø137 rear 76x24 hub
36 2 16 10.5 76.0 24 145.1 145 R Vespa Grande
36 2 16 9.0 76.0 24 146.4 145 R Vespa Bravo
36 2 17 6.0 76.0 24 161.1 160 R Vespa Ciao
7. Honda Spokes
Honda spokes changed frequently. The superseded spokes became substitutes.
Inner (A = 80° bend) and outer (B = 100° bend) types are also substitutes for each other.
This chart lists only one spoke for each application, the original, but Honda lists several.
Dark grey data are from partzilla.com and cmsnl.com .
Light grey is from actual spokes or assumed. Bright red is corrected.
Honda NC50 Express and NA50 Express II
1977 NC50 inne drum qty 426 front 147-30#13 x 14 35 drum qty 4260 rear xxxxxx xx xx xxx xxx rear rim
1977 NC50 inner 80 28 42606-147-305 (A #13 x 143.5) 80 14 42606-147-305 (A #13 x 143.5) 42701-147-710
1977 NC50 outer 80 28 42606-147-305 (A #13 x 143) 80 14 42607-147-305 (B #13 x 143)
1978 NC50 inner 80 28 42606-147-315 (A #13 x 143.5) 80 14 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 42701-147-710
1978 NC50 outer 80 28 42607-147-315 (B #13 x 143) 80 14 42607-147-315 (B 12-13 142.5)
1979 NC50 inner 80 28 42606-147-315 (A #13 x 143.5) 80 14 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 42701-147-710
1979 NC50 outer 80 28 42607-147-315 (B #13 x 143) 80 14 42607-147-315 (B 12-13 143)
1979 NA50 inner 80 28 42606-147-315 (A #13 x 143.5) 80 14 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 42701-147-710
1979 NA50 outer 80 28 42607-147-315 (B #13 x 143) 95 14 97081-22125-B0 (B 12-13 142.5)
1980 NC50 inner 80 28 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 80 14 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 42701-147-710
1980 NC50 outer 80 28 42607-147-315 (B #13 x 143) 80 14 42607-147-315 (B 12-13 143)
1980 NA50 inner 80 28 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 80 14 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 42701-147-710
1980 NA50 outer 80 28 42607-147-315 (B #13 x 143) 95 14 97081-22127-B0 (B 12-13 143.5)
1981 NC50 inner 80 28 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 95 14 42607-191-325 (A 12-13 141) 42701-147-711
1981 NC50 outer 80 28 42607-147-315 (B #13 x 143) 95 14 97081-22121-80 (B 12-13 140.5)
1981 NA50 inner 80 28 42606-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 95 14 42607-191-325 (A 12-13 141) 42701-147-711
1981 NA50 outer 80 28 42607-147-315 (B #13 x 143) 95 14 97081-22121-80 (B 12-13 140.5)
1982 NC50 inner 80 28 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 95 14 42607-191-325 (A 12-13 141) 42701-147-711
1982 NC50 outer 80 28 42607-147-315 (B #13 x 143) 95 14 97081-22121-80 (B 12-13 140.5)
1983 NC50 inner 80 28 42607-147-325 (A 12-13 143.5) 95 14 42607-191-325 (A 12-13 141) 42701-147-711
1983 NC50 outer 80 28 42607-147-315 (B #13 x 143) 95 14 97081-22121-80 (B 12-13 140.5)
Honda NU50 Urban Express
1977 NC50 inne drum qty 426 front 147-30#13 x 143 5 drum qty 426 rear
1982 NU50 inner 80 32 97192-32167-F0 (B 11-12 163.5) 95 14 97108-32118-F0 426B0-GC1-000
1981 NA50 outer 80 28 97192-32167-F0 (B 11-12 163,5) 95 14 97164-32116-F0 (11-12 x 138)
1983 NU50 inner 80 32 97192-32167-F0 (B 11-12 163.5) 95 14 97108-32118-F0 426B0-GC1-000
1981 NA50 outer 80 28 97192-32167-F0 (B 11-12 163,5) 95 14 97164-32116-F0 (11-12 x 138)
Honda PA50 Hobbit
1977 NC50 inne drum qty 426 front 147-30 #13 x 187,5 5 drum qty 426 rear
1978 PA50 inner 80 18 97087-11215-10 (A #13 x 187.5) 80 18 97064-21158-10 (A #12 x 159.5)
1978 PA50 outer 80 18 97088-11214-10 (B #13 x 187.0) 80 18 97060-21158-10 (B #12 x 159.0)
1979 PA50 inner 80 18 97187-11212-10 (A #13 x 186.0) 80 18 97160-21154-10 (A #12 x 157.5)
1978 PA50 outer 80 18 97088-11211-10 (A #13 x 185.5) 80 18 97165-21154-10 (A #12 x 157.0)