A. Screw-on Gas Valves

April 16, 2021

updated 2020-04

Contents:  A. 0A1 to 0A1: 08 mm
Contents:  A. 0A2 to A11: 10 mm
Contents:  A. A12 to A24: 12 mm
Contents:  A. A25 to A30: 14 mm
Contents:  A. A31 to A37: 16 mm
Contents:  A. A37 to A38: 22 mm

Contents:  A. A40 to A41: 14, 16 vacuum types

 


A1. 8x1 male spigot L or R push-pull

A1 8×1 push pull
01z2225169  $20
in is on, out is off
Italy-made by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

1960 Wards Riverside original
1965 Motobecane AV79 original

 

 

 

 

 

 


A2. 10x1 male spigot down

A2 10×1 spigot down
01z2231010   $15
←reserve on↓ off→
made in Italy by OMG

A2b 10×1 down
red handle  $16
←res  on↓ off→

Links to photos of examples:

1977 Pacer P14
1977 Negrini Harvard replacement
1977 Cimatti City Bike (when adapter is missing)
1978 Cimatti City Bike (with no 10-12 adapter)
1978 Motron original (extender on tank)
1978 Concord XKE original
1980 Peugeot 103 LVS replacement

This valve fits hundreds of mopeds and mini-cycles. It fits any tank with a 10×1 threaded hole, and with nothing below or near the valve that would interfere. 

Cimatti rear tanks have a 10×1 threaded hole, but there is a nearby “wall” that prevents a 10×1 male valve from screwing in, unless the whole gas tank is removed. That requires rear wheel and rear fender removal. To make gas valve installation easy, Cimatti added a screw-in 10-to-12 adaptor piece, and used a 12×1 female type gas valve, with a turnbuckle type nut. Only the nut turns, and the “wall” does not matter. So it is much better to reuse the 10-to-12 adaptor, and use a 12×1 spigot right valve, see below.

 


A3. 10x1 male spigot back

A3 10×1 spigot back
01z2291092  $15
←reserve on↓ off→
made in Italy by OMG

Motobecane original  N/A
↑res ←off on↓
made by Quiet

Links to photos of examples:

1977 Intramotor-Gloria Scout
1977 Malaguti Commuter original
1978 Malaguti Commuter original
1978 Baretta Magnum (top tank)
1978 Yankee Peddler original
1979 Cosmo Colt original
1
979 Motobecane 50V original
1980 Cosmo Colt 3 original
1985 Safari 300MT Turbo replacement

 

Motobecane: 1970’s sheet-frame Motobecanes use a A3 type vertical valve, but not in a vertical orientation. Instead it is almost horizontal, at about 70 degrees from vertical. So a spigot-back valve fuel hose goes down, not back. An A4 10 x 1 spigot-left is a better replacement choice. With A3 the fuel hose goes down first, and then slightly uphill before it curves down into the Gurtner carburetor. With A4 the fuel hose goes forward first, and then slightly down hill before curving down to the carb. The A4 allows the fuel hose to be empty when the tank is empty. The A3 with a U-shape hose routing would trap some liquid, just like under a sink drain. Then the bike would have to be leaned to the right to empty the fuel hose completely. 

 


A4. 10x1 male spigot left

A4 10×1 spigot left red
01z2351035  $15
←reserve  on↓ off→,
made in Italy by OMG

A4b 10×1 spigot left
403200  $19
←reserve  on↓ off→,
made in Taiwan by FS

Links to photos of examples:

1977 Motobecane frame A4b replacement
1978 Gitane Sport original
1978 Motobecane frame replacement
1978 Motron Classic A4b replacement
1976 Bianchi Snark original

Any top-tank model, with a 10 x 1 threaded hole on the right side (and nothing nearby) would use this A4 petcock.

Motobecane: This spigot-left valve fits 1970’s sheet-metal-frame Motobecanes, where there is a tight space. It substitutes for the spigot-back original configuration. The fuel hose is routed slightly better than it was with the original valve.

 

 


A5. 10x1 male spigot right

A5 10×1 spigot right
1b15001017  $15
←res  on↓ off→ 
Italy made by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

1976 Itom Automatic
1978 Safari Super Extra
1979-89 Di Blasi R7     #141 on left side
1989-97 Di Blasi R7TB #141 on left side
1996 Di Blasi R7 original

 Any top-tank model, with a 10 x 1 threaded hole on the left side (and nothing nearby) would use this A5 petcock. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


A6. 10x1 male spigot back medium shaft

A6 10×1 spigot back
medium shaft
01b1402283b  $18
←reserve  on↓ off→
Italy-made by OMG

NVT original 10×1 back,
long detachable shaft

Links to photos of examples:

1977 NVT Easy Rider
1978 Scorpion SC2

Like the other 10×1 male valves, the whole valve must turn around and around, to screw on. But the long shaft would usually hit something. That would prevent the valve from screwing on. The original valves had a detachable shaft, held on by a clip. So the valve could be installed or removed without the shaft.

This replacement valve does not have an easily detachable shaft. But the shaft can be removed by loosening the shaft nut. To install the valve, remove the shaft, then screw on the valve, tighten only to a little more than “finger tight”, aim it to face outward or whatever direction is best, then replace the shaft. 

 


A7. 10x1 male spigot down with 15mm extender

A7 10×1 spigot down
short 15mm extender
222836 $23 on-off-res
Taiwan-made by F&S

Links to photos of examples:

1987 Tomos A3 Bullet TT
1993 Tomos A35 Bullet TT

This valve fits early 1987-93 Tomos top tanks with 10×1 internal threads. After 1993 Tomos top tanks have 12×1 external threads and take valve A17b.

The knob has to be removed in order to screw on because the tank wall is too close. Once installed the round knob goes through a one inch hole in the right plastic panel below the tank.

Here it is shown without the metal cup and rubber ring, but those things are included. The 15mm length extension includes the cup and rubber.

 

 

 


A8. 10x1 male spigot down with 20mm extender

A8 10×1 spigot down
20mm extender
01z2231010-b $29
←reserve on↓ off→
Italy-made by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Pacer Sport P78 original A8 (can use A2)
1980 Motron Fairway no tank extender (can use A2)
1980 AMF Roadmaster 140 original A8
1983 AMF Roadmaster 140 replacement

A8 This valve is an A2 plus a C10.195 extender. The extender costs as much as the valve, so when replacing a 10mm valve that has an extender it is better to re-use the extender.

AMF with Minarelli: The 1980-83 AMF Roadmaster 140, 141 with Minarelli V1 mid-engine is another model that needs a short extender to position the valve knob to go through the hole in the body panel. This A8 replacement shown in the link fits, but the end of the handle must be ground off.

 

 


A8b. 10x1 male spigot left with 20mm extender

1978 Malaguti Pilot original A8b (can use A4)
1980 Pacer Super Sport original A8b (can use A4)

 

A8b This valve is an A4 plus a C10.195 extender. This configuration was on Malaguti Pilot and Baretta Magum. Can use just A4 without extender.

 

 


A8c. 10x1 male spigot right with 20mm extender

1980 Peugeot 102SP original A8c
1980 Peugeot 102SP original A8c

A8c This valve is an A5 plus a C10.195 extender. This configuration was on 1980 Peugeot 102 SP (US model) and others.

Peugeot 102: On 1980 Peugeot 102 there is a wall that prevents the valve from being screwed in, unless there is an extender piece between the valve and the tank. This model must have the extender present.

 

 


A9. 10x1 male spigot down with 26mm extender

A9 10×1 spig. down
26mm extender
01z2231010-c $29
←res on↓ off→
Italy-made by OMG

This 10×1 spigot down valve has a 26mm extender that positions the valve lower, away from the bottom of the tank. The 26mm extender includes a longer reserve tube.

When an extender is added to a valve, the reserve tube needs to be longer. When the reserve tube is too short, there is little or no reserve. Here the original reserve tube has been replaced with a longer one, 60mm from the valve base instead of 35mm.

Any of the other 10×1 male valves can have a 15, 20, or 26mm extender added. Some already have long reserve tubes.

 

 

 

 

 

 


A10. 10x1 male spigot left with 26mm extender

A10 10×1 spigot left
26mm extender
2231010-b $29
←reserve on↓ off→

At left is a used leaking original, not for sale. An unknown application.

At right is a new replacement, for sale. It is either a 403200 (shown) or 01z2351035 (red) valve, with a 1 inch extender.

It includes a 1 inch longer reserve tube and both outer seal rings.

 

 

 

 

 

 


A11. 10x1.25 male spigot right

A11 10×1.25 male right
634982 $18
adjustable height
made in China

This valve fits tanks with M10-1.25 female thread

None of the mopeds on this site have this thread. It may be for Chinese motorized bicycle gas tanks.

No reserve just OFF and ON.

Nut adjusts vertical height to fit closer or farther from tank.

Direction adjusts 360 degrees (like most others).

 

 

 

 


A12. 12x1 male spigot down

A12 12×1 male sp down
01z4011005   N/A
←reserve  on↓ off→
made in Italy by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

90’s Peugeot Vogue

This 12×1 valve is a male thread, right hand (clockwise is tighter). All other 12×1 valves are female thread and have a turnbuckle nut with both left and right hand thread. With the turnbuckle nut removed, the other 12×1 valves are male thread, left hand (clockwise is looser).

Because the whole valve must be screwed in to install it, the handle knob detaches with a clip.

This valve fits a Peugeot Vogue, perfectly.

 

 

 


A13. 12x1.25 male spigot left

A13 12×1.25 male sp left
custom adapter  N/A
left is original,
right is replacement

A13b 12×1.25 male
01z4011005-b   N/A
←reserve  on↓ off→
made in Italy by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Speed Bird BP48
1979 Angel BP48S

Speedbird BP48 and Angel BP48-S, tube frame models made in Taiwan by TYM, use this valve. The 1.25 thread is more coarse than 1.0.

A13 is an A4 plus a custom made adapter, 10×1.00 female to 12×1.25 male thread.

A13b is an A12 re-threaded to M12-1.25. Since it has a soft rubber o-ring seal, it is only tightened by hand. So the threads do not need much strength. This allows the weakened re-threads to work.

 


A14. 12x1 female spigot down

 

A14 12×1 spig. down
01B1351048  $20
←reserve  on↓ off→
Italian made OMG

A14b 12×1 sp down
403100R  N/A
←reserve  on↓ off→

Links to photos of examples:

1977 Batavus VA original
1978 Kreidler MP-9 with spigot down
1978 Sears Free Spirit silver original
1978 Sears Free Spirit red original
1979 Columbia 2220 with spigot down
1980 Concord Freedom with spigot down
1988 Motomarina Sebring original
2000 Kinetic TFR-USA original

This valve fits many mopeds. It is sometimes called “universal”, but it is not truly universal.

 

 

 


A15. 12x1 female spigot back

A15 12×1 spigot back
01B1451015   $20
←reserve  on↓ off→
OMG made in Italy

Links to photos of examples:

1977 Garelli Sport original made by BAP
1977 Moto Guzzi Chiu original (lies above engine covers)
1978 Garelli Rally Sport original
1978 JC Penney Pinto original
1979 Batavus Starflite original
1980 AMF Roadmaster 130 original
1980 AMF Roadmaster 130
1980 Garelli VIP original
1980 Garelli Super Sport original
1983 Garelli Basic original (lies below engine cover)
1984 Garelli Basic original, needs long reserve tube due to the tank extension
1984 Garelli Monza GT original
1990’s Hero Panther, Pacer, Gizmo original

 

 

 


A16. 12x1 female spigot back with clear trap

A16 12×1 spigot back
clear sediment trap
01z2101024  $16
←reserve  on↓ off→
made in Italy by OMG

PA50 original

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Honda PA50 Hobbit tank
1978 Honda PA50 Hobbit original
1993 Hero Panther original
2000 Kinetic TFR-USA original
2002 Whizzer with the tank hole drilled bigger

This valve has a clear sediment trap. Anything heavier than gasoline, like water, dirt, rust settles at the bottom. The trap not only filters, but allows visual monitoring of the fuel for purity.

Whizzer The 2002 Whizzer tank takes a 12×1 thread gas valve. But the original Whizzer valve has no reserve tube or fuel filter. To have those, the 6.3mm hole can be drilled to 7.0mm. Here it is shown with a A16 “spigot back” type valve, but a A18 “spigot right” type would be better.

 


A17. 12x1 female spigot left

A17 12×1 spigot left
01z2361059    N/A
←reserve  on↓ off→
made in Italy by OMG

A17c 12×1 sp. left
403300    $15
←res  on↓  off→
made in Taiwan

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Sachs Westlake with spigot left
1978 Cimatti Town Bike original
1979 Batavus Starflite with spigot left
1979 Sachs Balboa with spigot left
1979 Columbia 2250 (tube frame, Solo engine)
1979 Columbia 2260 (tube frame, Sachs engine)
1980 Sachs Seville original
1980 Sachs Prima original
1985 Tomos Bullet original
1994 Tomos Sprint original
1998 Tomos Sprint original
2000 Avanti Autopower original
2001 Avanti Kobra original
2001 Avanti Super Sport original

Columbia with tube frame:The original valve on a Columbia Commuter (tube frame) was a vertical mount valve, mounted in the sideways position. So the valve faces up, instead of sideways. That is not bad, but the poor handle gets kicked easily since it is right where you step through the frame at. The original valve had a reserve tube that curved upward, like on a Puch side mount. The replacement valve has a short straight reserve tube. Sideways installation disables the reserve feature. Optionally, a longer curved soft aluminum reserve tube is available. See below.

 


A17b. 12x1 female spigot left with extended round knob

A17b 12×1 spigot left
round knob
401602 $18
←reserve  on↓ off→
made in Taiwan by FS

Links to photos of examples:

2007 Tomos LX

This valve was made to replace Tomos 229.455, on 1994-2013 top tanks. Before 1994 was 10×1 male.

 

 

 

 

 

 


A18. 12x1 female spigot right

A18 12×1 spigot right
01z2391037  $16
↑res ←off  on↓
made in Italy by OMG

A18b 12×1 spigot right
5322-A  $15
←res  on↓ off→
Italy-made by Franconi

Links to photos of examples:
1976 Flandria Bermuda Hampton (cover hole widened)
1977 Flandria Bermuda Hampton (no cover no petcock)
1978 Flandria Bermuda Pembroke
1978 Vespa Bravo original
1978 Vespa Bravo gas tank original
1978 Cimatti City Bike (when 10-12 adaptor is there)
1978 JC Penney Pinto (no petcock)
1979 Columbia 2220 (sheet frame) original
1979 Columbia 2220 (sheet frame) with spigot down
1979 Batavus Starflite with spigot right
1982 Batavus Mondial with spigot right
1980 Columbia Medallion (top tank) original
1981 Murray 8320 original
Tomos 233727 gas valve original
2007 Tomos Sprint with 233727
1980 Sachs Prima original
1969 Honda PC50

Columbia sheet frame: The sheet metal frame Columbia is different from a tube frame Columbia. It can have different marketing names. Original valve was spigot right, but down, back, or left also fit.

Tomos A55: All Tomos models with the A55 engine have a 12×1 spigot right gas valve #233727, above the left side of the engine. Earlier A35 models had a opposite valve on the opposite side. 

Vespa Bravo: This screw-on valve is for Vespa Bravos with a metal tank. Some have a plastic gas tank, with a different gas valve than this. See clamp-on valves below.

Flandria Bermuda: Bermuda (made by Flandria) mopeds use this vertical 12×1 spigot right valve, but in the horizontal position. There is no reserve function. The owners manual says that either rear or forward is closed (off), and outward is open (on). The valve handle is protected behind the cover. There is a finger width long slot in the right cover, for one-finger access. 

 


A19. 12x1 female spigot back short extended knob

A19 12×1 spigot back with short shaft
Left is original, right is replacement
It is a A15 with a longer handle shaft   $27
←reserve  on↓ off→   OMG made in Italy

Links to photos of examples:

1985 Garelli Rally SL original
1985 Garelli Rally SL original

Garelli 1980-86: This valve is made for the 1980-86 Garelli Sport, Rally Sport, Rally SL step-thru models with side panels that cover everything up to the bottom of the gas tank. The valve handle shaft passes through a hole in the panel.

The replacement sticks out a few mm farther than the original. Not bad.

 

 

 


A20. 12x1 female spigot left medium shaft

A20 12×1 spigot left
medium shaft
229169  $22
←reserve  on↓ off→
Taiwan-made by FS

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Moto Guzzi Robin original
1979 Benelli G2 original
1995 Tomos Targa original
1998 Tomos Targa original
2005 Tomos ST original

Benelli G2 The valve shaft sticks out of a small hole in the plastic side cover. The handle knob must be pryed off (with two screwdrivers on opposite sides), to get the shaft through the hole in the plastic side cover. The valve must be aimed just right. It might take 2 or 3 guesses to get the shaft aimed at the hole. Then the plastic cover is replaced, and then the handle knob is pressed back onto the shaft.

 

 

 


A21. 12x1 female spigot right medium shaft

A21 12×1 spigot right
long shaft 5321 $15
←reserve  on↓ off→
Italy-made by Mec Eur

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Baretta 44 original
1978 Vespa Grande original
1979 Vespa Grande frame with no valve
1979 Vespa Grande with spigot right
1980 Vespa Si original
1985 Vespa Si frame with original valve

Vespa Grande: The Vespa Grande has a vertical type valve, but it is mounted at an angle of about 60 degrees from vertical, or “2 o’clock”, as seen in the red frame photo. Although the spigot direction is wrong, this still works fine on a Vespa Grande. The gas has to go uphill a little at first, but the gas hose stays below the bottom of the gas tank (when routed under the throttle cable like shown below). So it will flow gasoline all the way to empty.

Tomos Targa: While the Tomos Targa valve works on a Vespa Si, the opposite is not true. The Tomos engine is too close, unless the cover is left off and the valve is rotated.

 


A22. 12x1 female spigot right long shaft

A22 12×1 rt. long shaft
01z2691051 $19
←reserve  on↓ off→
made in Italy by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Benelli G2, A22 is too long

Benelli G2 This A22 valve has a round aluminum shaft that is 56mm long, too long for a Benelli G2 or Moto Guzzi Robin. It needs to be 15 to 25mm shorter. Use A20.

 

 

 

 

 


A23. 12x1 female side mount Ciao

A23 12×1 side mount 5320   $18 
 ←reserve  on↓ off→
Italy-made by Franconi

A23b 12×1 side mt. 
01Z2141023A  $18   
←reserve  on↓ off→
 Italy-made by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

1974 Vespa Ciao frame

This valve fits a Vespa (Piaggio) Ciao. It can also fit a Puch Maxi type frame, but the upper filter hits the inside upper wall of the Puch gas tank. The reserve tube, which is a light press fit, can simply be rotated so it is not aimed straight up, to allow a Ciao valve to fit a Puch.

 

 

 


A24. 12x1 female side mount Maxi

A24 12×1 side mt.
01z2141069a  $18
←reserve  on↓ off→
Italy-made by OMG

A24b 12×1 side mount
401400  $18
⇐reserve  on⇓  off⇒
made in Taiwan

Links to photos of examples:

1976 Intramotor-Gloria Blanco original
1977 Intramotor-Gloria Blanco original
1977 Puch Maxi Sport original
1978 Puch Maxi original
1978 Puch Sport MKII with A24b
1984 Puch Maxi Sport LS original

Puch Maxi: The most popular 1970’s moped in the USA uses this valve. Puch Maxi and Maxi equivalents GN, Rigid, Sport, Sport MkII, Newport, Newport-L, Newport II and Maxi II all have the same sheet-metal gas tank built into the frame. The gas valve is on the right side mounted horizontally. 

 


A25. 14x1 female spigot down

A25 14×1 sp. down
633783  $19
↑reserve ←off on↓
made in China

Links to photos of examples:

1980 Honda NA50 Express II original
1980 Yamaha QT50 (left is A25 substitute, right is original)

This spigot down valve was original on 1979-81 Honda NA50 Express II. It also replaces the original spigot left on Honda NC50 Express, and the original spigot right on Yamaha QT50 Yamahopper.  

Honda Design: Note that the little arrow on the handle points opposite to the handle. So off is arrow left (handle right), on is arrow up (handle down), reserve is arrow down (handle up).

This valve has a 6.0mm spigot, for 3/16″ (4.8mm) hose.

 

 

 


A26. 14x1 female spigot left

A26 14×1 sp. left
golden $18
↑reserve ←off on↓
made in China

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Honda NC50 Express original valve
1980 Honda NC50 Express original
1981 Honda NC50 Express original
1979 Oakwood Catalina replacement (orig. was spigot-right)

 

This spigot left valve was original on Honda NC50 Express. It also substitutes for other 14×1 thread valves, including Yamaha QT50 (spigot right), Honda NA50 (spigot down), Trac Eagle (side mount), and most Taiwan-made mopeds (mostly spigot back).

Honda Design: Note that the little arrow on the handle points opposite to the handle. So off is arrow left (handle right), on is arrow up (handle down), reserve is arrow down (handle up).

This valve has a 6.5 mm spigot, for a 3/16″ (4.8mm) hose, or a 1/4″ (6.3mm) hose with clamps.

 


A27. 14x1 female spigot right

A27 14×1 spigot right
01z3234229 $25
↑reserve ←off on↓
Italy-made by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Moprix top tank original
1980 Yamaha QT50 (left is A25 substitute, right is original)
1979 General 5-Star ST original (use A28 or A26)

This valve configuration was original on Yamaha QT50, early Yamahas and Hondas, and early Taiwan mopeds. It can replace other 14×1 thread valves, in most cases.

This motorcycle fuel valve has a 7.7 mm spigot, for 1/4″ (6.3mm) fuel hose.

Honda Design: Note that the little arrow on the handle points opposite to the handle. So off is arrow left (handle right), on is arrow up (handle down), reserve is arrow down (handle up).

 

 


A28. 14x1 female spigot back

A28 14×1 sp back
with trap   $30
↑reserve ←off on↓
General original

A28a 14×1 spigot back
01z3264268 N/A
↑reserve ←off on↓
Italy-made by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

1977 Lazer Sport 50 original
1978 AMS Sierra 50 original
1984 Trac Image original
1985 General 5-Star original

Many of the original valves had poorly made cast nuts. The nuts were too big and also weak. When fully tightened they would strip. Some have good nuts, but after 35 years the rubber seal disk inside is brittle and deformed. All of the mopeds listed that came with a spigot-back gas valve, can take a less expensive spigot down or spigot left valve.

The A28a valve has a 7.7 mm spigot, for 1/4″ (6.3mm) fuel hose.

Honda Design: Note that the little arrow on the handle points opposite to the handle. So off is arrow left (handle right), on is arrow up (handle down), reserve is arrow down (handle up).

 


A29. 14x1 female side mount

A29 14×1 side mount
original  Not Available
A26 14×1 spigot left
substitute $18 no res.

Links to photos of examples:

1983 Trac Eagle original (installed at an angle)

The upper valve is an original Trac 14×1 side mount, made in Korea.
All their inner seal disks have decomposed.
But there is a replacement inner seal disk D2 for $8 see below.

The lower one is a modern Honda substitute, made in China. It is a 14×1 vertical mount spigot left mounted sideways. The cover panel must be removed, or a large hole cut, to allow access to the substitute valve. There is no reserve capacity on the substitute, since the reserve tube is horizontal. 

 

 

 

 


A30. 14x1.25 male spigot down

A30 14×1.25 spigot down
D400181  $26
←res  on↓ off→
made in Spain by Ideal

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Derbi Laguna original
1980 Derbi C5 Diablo original
1985 Derbi RD50 original

This motorcycle valve has a 7.7 mm spigot, for 1/4″ (6.3mm) fuel hose.

 

 

 

 

 

 


A31. 16x1 female spigot down

A31 16×1 spigot down
01z2271026  $15
←reserve  on↓ off→
made in Italy by OMG

A31b 16×1 spigot down
408200 $18
←reserve  on↓ off→
made in Taiwan

Links to photos of examples:

1956 Puch VS50 (Euro)
1963 Sears Allstate original
70’s Sparta Buddy original
1977 Sparta Foxi original

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


A32. 16x1 female spigot back

A32 16×1 spigot back
01z2331027  $16
←reserve  on↓ off→
made in Italy by OMG

Links to photos of examples:

1982 Jawa Supreme with A31 spigot down
1979 Kynast Flying Dutchman original
1978 Puch Magnum original Karcoma
1986 Puch Cobra original
1977 Solo Odyssey with spigot left
70’s Sparta Lucky (Euro)
1970 Gemini SST 80 mini trail

 

 

 

 

 

 


A33. 16x1 female side mount

A33 16×1 side mount
original Paoli Not Avail.
A32 16×1 spigot back
mounted horizontally

Links to photos of examples:

1977 KTM Foxi original
1978 KTM Foxi original

The A33 upper valve is an original Paoli 16×1 side mount valve, made in Italy. All their polyurethane inner seal disks have decomposed, even on the last few new valves.

The A32 lower valve is a modern OMG substitute, made in Italy. It is valve A32, a 16×1 vertical mount spigot back, mounted sideways.  The cover panel must be removed, or a large hole cut, to allow access to the substitute valve. There is no reserve capacity on the substitute, since the reserve tube is horizontal.

 

 

 


A34. 16x1 female spigot back

A34 16×1 spigot back
A32 with res. tube $28

Links to photos of examples:

1977 KTM Foxi original
1978 KTM Foxi original

This is valve A32 with a curved-up aluminum reserve tube added, for side mount use on KTM.  The cover panel must be removed, or a large hole cut, to allow access to the substitute valve. There is a reserve capacity on this valve, because the reserve tube curves upward. So the “on” inlet is 2 inches higher than the “reserve” inlet. The bottom 2 inches of the gas tank would be reserve.

 

 

 


A35. 16x1.5 female side mount

A35 Indian 16×1.5 side-mount   Not Available

A  turnbuckle nut     none  M16-1.5 R and L
B  outer seal ring     none  12 x 16 x 2
Bs  B substutute     $3.00 13 x 17 x 2
C  valve body  xxx   none  20.9 ID
D  trap filter disk     none  19 x 1.5
E  trap seal ring  x  $3.00 15 x 19 x 2
F  trap cup xxxxx    $5.00 M20-1.0 thread (Trac Eagle)
seal disk xxxx    $9.00 20.5 x 3.25 4-hole D10
H  handle plate x     none  21.3 OD
I   wave washer (2)  none  20 x 16 x 0.3
J   face plate  xxxx   none  17 ID
K  face screw (2)    
$1.50 M3 x 6

 

A35 is an original Indian 16×1.5 side mount, made in Taiwan. All 3 rubber seals have decomposed.

The 2 seal rings do not normally leak if they are undisturbed, but the seal disk does. There are two ways the seal disk can leak.

1) It can keep supplying the carburetor with gasoline when in the OFF position. This leak can be stopped temporarily by pinching the fuel hose with a small vise grip or C clamp.

2) It can leak gasoline outside of the valve when the handle is in any position. Other things besides the seal disk can cause this kind of leak. Some of those things are: improper assembly, damaged handle plate, missing wave washer, damaged valve body, pieces of the old seal disk still stuck to the valve body sealing surface.

Outer seal ring: The 17mm substitute outer seal ring sits in a 16 mm groove. But it has to fold to pass over 14.5 mm thread tops on its way in, Once in it can be unfolded and does fit, but tightly.


A36. 16x1.5 female spigot right

A36 (bottom) 16×1.5 spigot right $20
↑reserve ←off on↓ made in Taiwan

This is a vertical mount valve for ’82-83 Honda NC50I Iowa, and some 60’s and 70’s Honda motorcycles and ATV’s.

Indian valve substitute: The threads fit an Indian 4-stroke moped. This valve A36 will substitute for an Indian gas valve A35, but the cover panel would have to be left off. With the cover on you cannot reach the handle.

Honda Design: Note that the little arrow on the handle points opposite to the handle. So off is arrow left (handle right), on is arrow up (handle down), reserve is arrow down (handle up).

A36a with reserve $34

 

A36 is a modern substitute 16×1.5, made in Taiwan. It is a vertical design, mounted horizontal. The cover panel must be removed, or a large hole cut, to allow access to the substitute valve. There is no reserve capacity on the substitute, since the reserve tube is horizontal.

A36a is valve A36 with a added aluminum reserve tube that curves upward.

 


A37. 16x1.5 female spigot down

16×1.5 spigot down  N/A
16950-045-005   Off-On only

In most cases, spigot right (above) can substitute for spigot down. The valve can be aimed at any angle, so “right” can become “back”.

Honda Design: Note that the little arrow on the handle points opposite to the handle. So off is arrow left (handle right), on is arrow up (handle down), reserve is arrow down (handle up).

 

 

 

 


A38. 22x1 female spigot down

A38 22×1 spig. down
for 70’s Jawa   $22
←res on↓ off→

Links to photos of examples:

1978 Jawa 207 original
1979 Jawa 207 original
Jawa 207 with A38 installed with cover off

The chrome replacement Jawa petcock A38 is at left. Original is at right.  The handle does not stick out of the hole in the side cover like the original did. So it is a little hard to reach but not too hard.

 

 

 

 

 

 


A40. 14x1 female vacuum-operated automatic

A40 14×1 vacuum
G2IX9 634176 
Honda NX50 $15

Replaces Honda 16950-187-671 and 16950-GN2-671. 6mm hose spigots

Links to photos of examples:

1981 Honda NX50 original

 

 

 

 

 

 


A41. 16x1.5 female vacuum-operated automatic

A41 vacuum petcock M16-1.5 thread $22

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Covers

May 14, 2016

Contents:  Avanti Batavus  Derbi Motobecane

Contents:  Peugeot Puch  Sachs  Tomos  Vespa

 


Avanti (Garelli VIP remake)

2001 Avanti Autopower engine covers

Avanti 3-piece set $90

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Batavus (Laura M48 engine)

Laura M48 magneto (right) and clutch (left) covers are the same.

Laura, Motobecane, Batavus, Badger, Angel, Speed Bird magneto covers all interchange, because they all have a 124 mm inner diameter. Here are some original examples:

Motobecane magneto cover

1970’s Motobecane

Batavus clutch cover

1970’s Batavus (Laura M48)

Laura engine cover

early 1970’s Laura M48

Angel

1970’s Angel (TYM)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1980’s Motobecane engine cover
124mm ID, black, with tabs, price $18

Batavus M48 with late Motobecane magneto cover

1980’s Motobecane black cover
installed on Batavus

Left, this one cover fits and replaces all of those covers above. It is exactly for a early 1980’s Motobecane. But it fits anything that takes a 124mm ID round cover.  It is deep enough for stock mopeds. But it is not deep enough for some Motobecane CDI magnetos, or any that are much taller than stock. It comes with two rubber clips to hold it onto the metal “ears” on the engine case.

Finally these are available after years of drought…

 

 

 

 

Derbi Covers

 
Part #  # ←pic#….Description Price      Applications
########### ### ################### #### #########################
000.821.5100 1 footrest right $25 1976-1979 Derbi SL, SLE
000.821.5500 2 footrest left $35 1976-1979 Derbi SL, SLE
000.821.5180 chaingaurd left grey N/A 1976-1979 Derbi SL
000.823.0150 9 engine cover right grey $80 1976-1979 Derbi SL
000.823.0200 10 engine cover left grey $70 1976-1979 Derbi SL
000.872.2220 chaingaurd right gold 1976-1979 Derbi SLE
000.871.5180 chaingaurd left gold 1976-1979 Derbi SLE
000.873.0150 engine cover right gold N/A 1976-1979 Derbi SLE
000.873.0200 11 engine cover left gold $50 1976-1979 Derbi SLE
000.851.5180 TT chaingaurd left black 1976-1986 Derbi TT
000.853.0150 12 engine cover right black $80 1976-1979 Derbi TT
000.853.0200 13 engine cover left black $60 1976-1979 Derbi TT
0A0.???.???? 14 engine cover L blk used $50 1984-1986 Derbi SL (no cavity)
original only 5 center cover (early non) N/A 1976-1979 Derbi SL, SLE, TT
000.821.8220 6 center cover (non reed) $80 1976-1979 Derbi SL, SLE, TT
0A0.220.0561 7 center cover (reed) $90 1980-1986 Derbi SL, SLE, TT
000.871.5100 3 footrest right $35 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
        continued … 1980-1986 Derbi SL, SLE
000.871.5500 4 footrest left $45 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
        continued … 1980-1986 Derbi SL, SLE
0F0.221.0221 chaingaurd right N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
0F0.152.0181 chaingaurd left N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
000.853.0150 engine cover right N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
000.853.0200 engine cover left N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport
0A0.182.0221 8 center cover N/A 1986-1989 Derbi Variant Sport

Derbi Center Panels: The center panel choke button is supposed to push the Delorto carburetor choke lever down, and later allow it to release back up after the bike is started and the throttle is momentarily maxed out. But it often does not work properly, and it is finicky. When it sticks, either on or off, you must wiggle or move the center panel to make it click, or else remove the panel and operate the lever directly. The main cause is an incorrect angle of the carburetor. Loosen the clamp and rotate one way or the other. The carb should be vertical, but the finicky panel might require it to be slightly tipped. Because of this difficulty, many Derbi owners have cut holes in, or removed and discarded their center panels. Derbi fixed the problem on the 1986-1989 models by using a choke cable and a right handlebar lever. No more reaching down and fussing. 

Derbi Center Panel Choke Button Parts: There are three different “feet” that press onto the vertical plastic button shaft. Here are shown the correct ones, for reference purposes. Some are for sale but not yet listed. Also the steel tongue at the front is for sale but not shown here.

 


Motobecane

Motobecane 50, 50V (rear suspension)

Motobecane 50 covers

Motobecane 50 covers, pre-77 originals

Motobecane 50 covers, MLM polished stainless

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

22249 right MB50 chain guard cover white   $35-45
22251   left MB50 chain guard cover white   N/A
54318 right MB50 cover white w/gold stripe N/A
54319   left MB50 cover white w/gold stripe N/A
54302 right MB50 chain guard metallic red  N/A
54303   left MB50 chain guard metallic red  N/A
54304 right MB50 chain guard metallic blue $35-40
54305   left MB50 chain guard metallic blue N/A
00000 right MB50 chain guard misc used     $35-40
00000   left MB50 chain guard misc rough    N/A
MLM set of polished stainless (like chrome)  $80

Cover Screws (coarse thread not regular metric)
A 17424   $5  used original cover screw M5-0.9 x 12 with plastic washer
B 17424  N/A new original cover screw  M5-0.9 x 12 bare
B 00000   $6  new original cover screw  M6-0.9 x 12 bare

C 00000   $3  new replica cover screw   M5-0.9 x 12 bare
D 17425   $3  used belt cover screw xx  M5-0.9 x 10 with plastic washer
E 00000   $6  new original screw xxxx   M5-0.9 x 12 bare
F 00000   $6  new original screw xxxx   M5-0.9 x 10 bare
G 17425   $4  new belt cover screw xxx M5-0.9 x 10 bare
H 00000   $5  new original screw xxxx   M6-1.0 x 12 bare
00000   $3  new white plastic stepped washer ∅5
I  00000   $3  new white plastic stepped washer ∅6

J  00000   $3  new black plastic stepped washer ∅5
J00000   $3  new black plastic stepped washer ∅6

K 00000  50¢ new screw for re-thread M5-0.8 x 12 standard

1976-77 Motobecane 50L

1976-77 50L

1978-79 Motobecane 50V

1978-79 50V

1978-79 Motobecane 50VL

1978-79 50VL

1980 Motobecane Le Moped

1980 Le Moped

 

 

 

 

 

 

Motobecane 50 Leg Shields

MB 50 leg shields 1

MB 50 leg shields 2

MB 50 leg shields 3

MB leg shields 4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is an original leg shield set #20250, and mounting bracket set #20290, both for $150.
It is new but there are some minor scratches, from years of being kept on parts shelves.
There is also a right side shield available separately. Email Shaun for more info.

Here is a diagram of some 1950-60’s Motobecane leg shields. The mounts are different.

 


1974-76 Motobecane 40TS

1974-76 Motobecane 40TS

Motobecane 40 (no rear suspension)

00000  set  MB40 chain guards white new plain  $90
00000 set MB40 chain guards painted ivory used $75
00000 set MB40 chain guards with stickers used $85
22247 right MB40 chain guard cover white new  $60
22248   left MB40 chain guard cover white new  $45
00000 right MB40 chain guard misc colors used  $50
00000   left MB40 chain guard misc colors used  $35
17424 side cover screw M5-0.9 x 12 coarse used  $6
17425 belt cover screw M5-0.9 x 10 coarse used  $5
17426 cover screw plastic stepped washer black   $3
00000 screw (for re-thread) M5-0.8 x 12 std  $0.50

 

Motobecane magneto cover black    (see above)
Motobecane magneto cover gray used       $25- $30 without tabs

 

 

 


Peugeot

Peugeot 103, General and Taiwan clones

Peugeot 103 covers

Peugeot 103 original covers N/A

Peugeot 103 chrome covers N/A
These are the same as the type 2 black ones below.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peugeot 103 side covers,  1. original N/A2. repro plastic $48/set3. repro fiberglass $40/set
Type 2 fits well. It says PEUGEOT in raised letters. The new soft plastic has some scratches.
Type 3 requires rubber washers at front bolts. They have a small 1/4″ to 3/8″ gap at the frame.

 

Covers #3 have a 3/8″ gap where they are supposed to touch the frame.
Rubber risers go under the front screws. They make installation difficult.

 

All of these models take the same side covers:

1976 Peugeot 103 LVS

1976 Peugeot 103 LVS

1980 Peugeot 103 SPB

1980 Peugeot 103 SPB

1975 Peugeot Sport

1975 Peugeot Sport
General copied this

1981 General 5 Star

1981 General 5 Star
and many compatibles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Peugeot 102 covers

Peugeot 102 covers

Peugeot 102

L    L side cover, used, blue              N/A
L1  L toolbox, used, blue                 $50
L2  L toolbox, used, bluish silver      $45
L3  L toolbox, used, bluish silver      $45
L4  L toolbox, used, blu-sil, 1 knob   $35
R    R side cover, new, blue              N/A
R1  R toolbox, used, blue, 1 bracket $35
R2  R tool. used blu-sil, no brackets $25
R3  R tool. used blu-sil, no brackets $20
R4  R tool. used blu-sil, no brackets $20

 

magneto cover Peugeot alum rough  $25

 


1. Maxi 1-speed covers generic

Puch

Puch Maxi, Newport, Sport

1 410200 side panel set Puch 1-speed black generic     $39

2 000000 side panel set Puch 1-sp used black orig xlnt N/A
2 000000 side panel set Puch 1-sp used black rough    $30

Puch Maxi 1 and 2 speed covers

3 000000 side panel set Puch 2-sp used black rough    $60

5 204900 screw M5 x 46 with black knob  replica new   $3
5
204900 screw M5 x 46 with black knob original used  $8
204900 screw M5 x 46 with gray knob original used  $12
5 000000 screw M5 x 45 phillips head substitute new   50¢

6 000000 left side panel Puch 1-sp used black rough   $30
6 000000 left side panel Puch 2-sp used black rough   $45
6 000000 left side panel Puch 1-sp used grey rough    $55

7 000000 right side panel Puch 2-sp used black rough $45
7 000000 right side panel Puch 1-sp used black rough $25

Puch Maxi side covers exploded view

Puch Maxi side covers exploded view

7 000000 right side panel Puch 1-sp used grey rough  $45

8 205100 screw M5 x 36 with black knob  replica new   $3
8
205100 screw M5 x 36 with black knob original used  $8
205100 screw M5 x 36 with gray knob original used  $12
8 000000 screw M5 x 35 phillips head substitute new   50¢

Right screws: 2 long and 1 short.   Left:  1 long and 2 short

1977 Puch Maxi

1977 Puch Maxi

 

All of the Maxi one speed models have the same covers: Maxi, Maxi Luxe, Maxi Sport, Sport, Newport. All of the Maxi two speed models have the same covers: Maxi II, Maxi Sport LS 2, Sport MkII, Newport II.

 

magneto cover Puch used            $20-$40

 

 


Puch Rigid cover set

Puch Rigid cover set, black

Puch Rigid, GN, Maxi N

Puch 1978 GN

1978 Puch Rigid

This is the no rear suspension model.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Puch Magnum side cover set

Puch Magnum, Sears, JC Penney side covers.

Puch Magnum, Sears Free Spirit, Murray, JC Penney

side panel set Puch Magnum used black original   N/A
right side panel Puch Magnum used black original N/A
left side panel  Puch Magnum used black original  N/A

side panel screw with knob aftermarket  M5x15    $3
side panel screw with knob original new  M5x15    $6
side panel screw with knob original used M5x15    $3

side panel screw wide slot head subst.     M5x15   50¢

 

15 mm cover screws
L aftermarket,  R original

 

1978 Magnum MkII

1978 Magnum

Sears Free Spirit

1978 Sears

1981 Murray

1981 Murray

1978 JC Penney

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Sachs 504 magneto cover

Sachs 504 left cover

Sachs 505 magneto cover

Sachs 505 left cover

Sachs and Hercules

Sachs 504, 505 engines

magneto cover Sachs 504 chrome used  $10-$15

magneto cover Sachs 505 bigger used    $25

 

Hercules or Sachs mopeds

side covers (chain guards)      none available

 

 


Vespa (Piaggio)

Vespa Cover Fasteners (Quarter-Turn Slot-Head)                                Vespa Ciao Side Covers

1990’s Vespa Ciao side covers black $48/set
These fit 1970’s -80’s Ciao.
Fasteners are front D, middle C, rear C

Vespa Cover Fasteners

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A 132872 named  total
A 132872 length  length

A 185818  34.0   43mm $4.00
A 1979-85 Si rear and middle
A 1982-on Bravo (all)
A 1986-on Si (all)

67-71 Ciao cover fasteners, different from 72-on
These can be purchased at UK Ebay.

132871 00mm 41mm $4.00
B 1977-80 Bravo rear
B 1978-83 Grande rear
B 1979-85 Si front

C 143615  27.5   37mm $4.00
C 1972-80 Ciao rear and middle
C 1980-on Ciao PX rear and middle

132872 00mm 33mm $4.00
D 1977-80 Bravo front (can use E, 2mm shorter)
D 1978-83 Grande front, center-front and center-rear

143614  23.5   31mm $7.00
E
1972-80 Ciao front (can use D, only 2mm longer)
E 1980-on Ciao PX front

122957 spring  34mm $3.00 same for all

 

Vespa Battery Boxes and Covers

Battery boxes were on early 70’s Ciao (US models with brake light), and late 70’s to early 80’s Ciao, Bravo, and Grande “blinker” models (equipped with turn signals and different switches and equipment). These side box covers have been scarce since the late 1980’s. They often fall off, and nobody is reproducing them. If you know of a source please tell Shaun by email.

The larger size box 227 x 160 mm is on Grande. Price $10 per box without lid, good-used.

The smaller box 222 x 158 mm is on Ciao and Bravo. $12 per box without lid, good-used.

Vespa battery boxes and covers have two sizes.
A large cover will fit a small box, but not visa versa.

Piaggio box sticker
42 mm aluminum
price $6 each

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vespa Ciao (small) side box cover set   N/A 

Vespa Grande (large) side box cover set $120

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vespa Grande cover set $150 includes all 6 fasteners and springs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Steering

May 14, 2015

Bicycles are external, motorcycles are internal.

Welcome. Steering bearings on most bicycles are external type, where the bearings lie outside the frame head tube (which is “not stepped”). Steering bearings on most motorcycles are internal type, where the bearings lie inside the frame head tube (which is “stepped”). All mopeds have the bicycle type steering bearings, except Derbi, which has motorcycle type.

Balls Up or Balls Down is the famous question faced when installing retainer (caged) ball bearings. The lower bearing always faces balls down, but the top bearing is sometimes facing up, and sometimes facing down. When it is installed wrong the cage gets crushed. The answer is: the balls always face the “cone” and not the “cup”, regardless of “up” or “down”. Sometimes the upper frame race is a “cone”, sometimes it is a “cup”.

Any bearing, when pushed together lightly with your fingers, should feel like the balls are rolling. Nothing should feel like it’s scraping or sliding. When you see the balls rolling at half the rotation speed, and the feel is solid and smooth like an ice cube on a smooth table, then the bearing is correct and good. 

Caged Balls or Loose Balls can be interchanged. The cage/retainer is a convenience, that keeps the balls from falling out during installation. If the retainers are the wrong size, or bent, but the balls are correct, the balls can be popped out, and installed using grease to hold them. When the cage is eliminated, almost twice as many balls are required, enough to fill the circle with a half to one ball gap. This has another big benefit on worn out races that have dents where each ball was at. When the number of balls changes, say from 14 to 26, the dents do not line up anymore. So it’s almost like having a new race.

Bicycle headset threads and dimensions, from Sutherlands

Bicycle headset threads and dimensions, from Sutherlands Handbook

Slight Differences in steering threads have frustrated many bicycle and moped mechanics trying to substitute steering parts from one machine to another. At right is a chart of bicycle headset threads and sizes. Basically the whole world uses ISO threads, one inch with 24 threads per inch (25.4 x 1.06), except France (25.0 x 1.00), Austria (26.0 x 1.00), Raleigh (25.4 x 1.02), and motorcycles (24.0 x 1.00). None of these thread sizes interchange. They either won’t screw on, or they will screw on loosely, and later slip around and “strip”. 

Slight Differences in “30mm” frame cups, from 30.0 to 30.2 millimeters, turn out to not matter, ordinarily. Only when the fit is already too loose on a 30.2, or too tight on a 30.0, would it matter.

30.0 replacing 30.2: Take a moped frame that has 30.2 cups and pound one cup out with a hammer and punch, alternating sides. Then take a 30.0 cup and hammer it in. You will only have to strike it about half as hard, because it has a looser press fit. It will hammer out easier.

30.2 replacing 30.0: Take a moped frame that has 30.0 cups and pound one cup out with a hammer and punch, alternating sides. Then take a 30.2 cup and hammer it in. You will have to strike it about twice as hard, because it has a tighter press fit. It will hammer out less easy.

There is much confusion about what is 30mm, the cup outer, or the frame inner. A frame for 30.0 cups can be 29.7 to 29.9 mm inner diameter (id). A frame for 30.2 cups can be 29.9 to 30.1. Some cups are made in between, 30.1 mm. The cups for sale below are classified as “30.0 cups” if they measure 29.9 to 30.15 mm. They are classified as “30.2 cups” if they measure 30.16 to 30.25 mm.

Slight Differences in “32.5mm” frame cups, from 32.5 to 32.7 millimeters, turn out to not matter, ordinarily. They range from 32.5 to 32.7, with most around 32.6. 

 

 


1. #52     2. #65     3. #73     4. “Euro”

Bearing Retainers

1   #52 retainer, 15 – 3/16″ balls  31.5 id      $5.00
For traditional American bicycles, AMF, Colombia, etc.

  #65 retainer, 15 – 3/16″ balls  28.5 id      $2.00
For traditional Schwinn bicycles, BMX, and low-end ATB.

3   #73 retainer, 16 – 5/32″ balls  29.0 id      $1.50
For traditional ten-speed bicycles, standard bikes, childrens.
A good substitute for the European 14 – 5/32″ ball retainer.

4   “Euro” retainer, 14 – 5/32″ balls 27.0 id    $8.00
This is like a #73 retainer with an inner lip for stiffness.

Loose Balls

1   5/32 inch (#5) balls (3.97mm), pack of 26        $2   26 loose 5/32″ balls can replace a “Euro” 14-ball retainer. 
For light duty moped and bicycle headsets.                 26 loose 5/32″ balls can replace a #73 16-ball retainer.

2   3/16 inch balls (4.76mm), package of 26          $2   22 loose 3/16″ balls can replace a #65 15-ball retainer. 
For heavy duty headsets, and some wheels.                22 loose 3/16″ balls can replace 21 loose 5mm balls

3   5 millimeter balls (5.00mm),  pack of 21           $5   21 loose 5mm balls can replace 22 loose 3/16″ balls
For Puch Magnum, Sears Free Spirit, and Tomos.          More balls, or bigger balls, can carry more weight.

 

 

Headsets and PartsMyrons Shirt green

In ascending order of thread size (fork), then cup size (frame).

After years of ignorance and misunderstanding, moped headset items have been identified, measured, verified, and presented below. With these measurements and specifications, it is possible to find correct replacements by measuring their sizes precisely with a calipers or a micrometer, and then matching it with the pictures and or brand names below, hopefully. These things have to be somewhat precise. If something is too tight it might not go on. If it’s too loose, or mismatched, the bike might be difficult to control, or be unpleasant to ride.

 

24.0 x 1.00 mm thread

 


Left: External Bearings Right: Internal Bearings

Derbi           24.0 x 1.00 (0.94″- 25.4 tpi), internal

Derbi mopeds have internal steering bearings, like motorcycles have. You can see on the Derbi at the right, the bearings are not visible. But on the Sparta Foxi on the left, the steering bearings are visible above and below the frame head tube. The Sparta has external steering bearings, as do all other mopeds.

Japanese motorcycles usually have this 24×1 thread on the top nut, but further down the steering tube steps up to 25×1 or 26×1 or bigger, where the bearings go.

 

 

25.0 x 1.00 mm thread

 


Peugeot Headset, 25-1.0 thread, 30.0 cups

Peugeot headset, 25-1.0 thread, 30.0 cups

Peugeot       25.0 x 1.00 (0.98″- 25.4 tpi), 30.0 cups

1         51974  complete set #2-10                   $40
2         48684  top chrome cap, press fit            $10-$18
3         51646  lock nut, 5 tall, 32 hex                 $5-$7
4         56118  lock washer serrated                   N/A
5         91783  adjustable cone chrome               $4-$6
5a  This little “nub”, from Peugeot bicycles, must be ground off.
5a  It goes into a ring of holes, a special “holey” washer, not #4.
6         91778  upper frame cup chrome 30.0 od  $8
7        91502a upper balls, 26 – 5/32″ 3.97mm   $2 or use #73
8         91502  lower “Euro” retainer 14-5/32″    $8 or use #73
9         46840  lower frame cup chrome 30.0 od  $8
10       14512  lower cone (crown race)  26.7 id  $5-$8
30.0 cups will replace 30.2 ones. They just press in easier.


Motobecane headset, 25-1.0 thread, 30.2 cups

Motobecane 25.0 x 1.00 (0.98″- 25.4 tpi), 30.2 cups

1         23312  partial set #3,5,6,7,8,9              N/A
2         15528  top plastic cap, press fit            $10$18
3         15526  lock nut, 32 octagonal                $6
4         00000  plain washer 25x35x1                 $2
5        23016a adjustable cone, zinc plated       $8-$12
6        23016b upper frame cup, zinc   30.2 od  $7
7         00005  upper balls, 26 – 5/32″           $2/26 or use #73
8         00005  lower balls, 26 – 5/32″           $2/26 or use #73
9         14208  lower frame cup, zinc   30.2 od  $7
10       19859  steering tube with lower race       N/A
11       14606  lock plate/washer                       $4
12       14605  pivot bolt M20-1.0, 32 oct          $15

 


Vespa Grande set, 25- 1.0 thread, 33.0 cups

Vespa Grande set, 25- 1.0 thread, 33.0 cups

Vespa Grande 25.0 x 1.00 (0.98″- 25.4 tpi), 33.0 cups

Vespa Grande headset is unique, heavy duty, French thread.
3       G68856  chrome cap nut, 32 hex, 25×1    $12-18
3a     000000  Piaggio emblem pressed-in           N/A
4       306912  thin washer for nut                        $3
5       G21316  adjustable cone, 25×1, notched    $15
6       G22937  upper frame cup, zinc    33.0 od   $7.00
7       G21317  upper balls, 27 – 5/32″ 3.97mm    $2/27
8       G21317  lower balls, 27 – 5/32″ 3.97mm    $2/27
9       G22937  lower frame cup, zinc    33.0 od   $7.00
10     G21315  lower cone (crown race)  25.6 id   $7.00
The Grande crown race is only 25.6 id, and the fork is 25.7.

 

25.4 x 1.06 mm thread

 


Honda PA50 set, 1"-24 thread, 30.0 cups

Honda PA50 headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.0 cups

Honda PA50  25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.0 cups

The Honda PA50 Hobbit (Camino) is made in Belgium.
It is mostly European in design and components.
3     00000000 chrome cap nut, original              N/A  use bicycle

4     00000000 washer 26x32x1.5                       $3

5     00000000 adjustable cone chrome              N/A  use bicycle
6+9 00000000 frame cup chrome, each 30.0 od $5 2.0 thin wall
7+8 00000000 orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each        $8   
7+8 JB-1909    #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each        $1.50
10   00000000 lower cone (crown race) 25.7 id N/A
10
This is the original crown race size. It was loose on the fork.
Three samples of Honda PA50 original forks were like this.
The fork steering tube is a straight 25.4mm all the way down.
So there needs to be a 0.15mm hard steel strap under the race.


General headset, 1"-24 thread, 30.0 cups

General headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.0 cups

General            25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.0 cups

2    1150-5860 chrome cap nut, original             $20  use bicycle
3    1150-5895 stepped notched nut, 31.8 lip      $15
The bottom side of nut #3 has a lip that fits inside #4a.
That’s why the holes in #4 and #4a are big, 32 not 26.
This lip carries the side loads through the nut threads,
instead of the fork top pressing on the threads directly.
1960’s small Honda motorcycles had this design.
4    1150-5894 plain washer 32x44x0.5               $5
4a  3150-5885 fork top plate, 31.8 hole             N/A
4b  1150-5886 spacer tube  26x41x8                  $7
5    1150-5893 adjustable cone chrome             $15
6    1150-5892 upper frame cup chrome 30.0 od $15
7+8 1150-5890 loose balls, 23 – 3/16″ 4.76mm   $2/26
9    1150-5891 lower frame cup chrome 30.0 od $15
10   JB-2742    lower cone (crown race)  27.0 id   $7
Asian mopeds use the Japan Industry Standard (JIS). General, Lazer, Grycner, Clinton, Jui Li, AMS, Tas, Tym, etc.


Tange Levin CDS Headset

Tange Levin CDS sealed precision headset

Bicycle (JIS)  25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.0 cups

JB-35496  EC30/27 Tange Levin sealed headset $30
0000000   upper frame cone black  30.0 od        N/A
0000000   lower frame cup chrome 30.0 od        N/A
0000000   lower cone (crown race) 27.0 id        N/A
JIS stands for Japan Industry Standards.
JIS crown races are 27.0 id, for a 27.1 fork.
JIS frame cups are 30.0, for a 29.9 frame.

 

Bicycle (ISO)  25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.2 cups

Headset PartsJB-35495  EC30/26 Tange Levin sealed headset $30
0000000   upper frame cone black  30.2 od        N/A
0000000   lower frame cup chrome 30.2 od        N/A
0000000   lower cone (crown race) 26.35 id      
N/A
ISO stands for International Standards Organization. 
ISO cups are 30.2 mm o.d, for a 30.1 mm i.d frame.
ISO crown races are 26.4 id, for a fork crown 26.5 od.

Nuts and Washers:
A   0000000  thin lock nut, for spacing, 1″-24, oct     $2.00
B   JB-35705  Origin8 black open top nut, 1″-24, oct  $2.00
C   JB-3510    Wald 220 chrome open nut 1″-24, oct  $5.00
D   0000000  keyed thick washer 26x34x3                 $1.00
E   0000000  plain thin washer 26x32x1.5                 $1.50
F   0000000  plain thick washer 26x33x2.5                $2.00


Batavus headset, 1"-24 thread, 30.0 cups

Batavus headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.1 cups

Batavus  25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.1 cups

Batavus mopeds are made in Holland.
1     47.043.00 partial headset #3-10               N/A
2     46.306.00 plastic plug for nut                     N/A
3     02.059.00 chrome open nut, original     $5-10  use bicycle

4     06.055.00 washer 26x34x1.5                      $3

5     47.043.04 adjustable cone chrome             N/A  use bicycle
6     47.043.03 upper frame cup, zinc 30.1 od  N/A use Peugeot
7+8 47.096.00 orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each       $8   
7+8 JB-1909   #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each        $1.50
9     47.043.02 lower frame cup, zinc 30.1 od  N/A use Peugeot
10   47.043.01 fork cone (crown race) 26.5 id $12 use bicycle
11   46.117.00 spring strap/sleeve 1.0/0.35      N/A
The fork steering tube is a straight 25.5mm all the way down.
The strap crushes to 0.5 mm, so it adds up, 26.5 = 25.5 + 2*0.5.
The ideal spring strap for Batavus would be 0.5mm.


Trac headset, 1"-24, 30.0 & 30.2

Trac headset, 1″-24, 30.0 and 30.2 cups

Trac          25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.2 cups

Trac mopeds are made in Korea by Kia and Dae Lim (DMC).
This example is for the early Tracs 1982-85 with M56 engines.
90305-M56-8900 chrome cap nut, orig. hex  N/A use bicycle

90503-M56-8900 washer 26 x 37 x 1            $3

4a 90304-M56-8900 notched thin nut               N/A use octag.
53211-M56-8900 adjustable cone chrome     N/A use bicycle
50301-M56-8900 upper cup chrome 30.2 od  N/A
96211-05000      upper balls, 26- 5/32″ #5  $2/26 or use #73 
96211-05000      lower balls, 26- 5/32″ #5  $2/26 or use #73 
50302-M56-8900 lower cup chrome 30.0 od  N/A
10 53212-M56-8900 cone (crown race) 25.5 id  N/A
This is the original crown race size, but it was loose on the fork.
The fork steering tube is a straight 25.4 mm all the way down.

The looseness had caused a 25.3 mm wear groove on the tube.
To be tight it needs a spring strap and a bigger race, like Batavus.


Cimatti set, 1"-24 thread, 30.2 cups

Cimatti headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.2 cups

Cimatti         25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.2 cups

Cimatti’s are Italian, and use Italian headset standards.
Cups are 30.2, for a 30.1 frame. Same as bicycle.
3     18-00-51  chrome cap nut, 32 octagon        $20
4     18-01-18  plain washer, 26x30x1.5                $3
4a    xx-xx-xx  spacer tube, 26x29x9                   N/A
5     12-00-65  adjustable cup chrome                $12
6     12-00-62  upper frame cone, zinc   30.2 od    $8
7+8 10-00-39   orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each         $8 
7+8 JB-1909    #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each         $1.50
9     12-00-63  lower frame cup chrome  30.2 od $20
10   12-00-64  fork cone (crown race)    26.5 id  $12
11
Italian crown race is 26.5 id, for a fork crown 26.6 od.
ISO (International Standards Org.) threads are 1″- 24 tpi.


Garelli headset, 1"-24 thread, 30.2 cups

Garelli headset, 1″-24 thread, 30.2 cups

Garelli          25.4 x 1.06 (1.00″- 24.0 tpi), 30.2 cups

Garelli’s are Italian, and use Italian headset standards.
1  507607.2100 complete original set #3-10       $65
1a    000.0000  set with chrome hexagonal nut   $45
2      206.3067  chrome open nut, 32 octagonal    $6
3      000.3086  chrome cap nut, 32 octagonal    $20
4      000.3085  plain washer, 26x30x1.5              $3
5      207.3078  adjustable cup chrome              $12
6      000.3062  upper frame cone zinc   30.2 od  $8
7+8  10-00-39  orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each         $8 
7+8  JB-1909   #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each         $1.50
9      201.3064  lower frame cup chrome 30.2 od $20
10    000.3065  lower cone (crown race) 26.5 id  $12
One German-made moped, Kynast, uses this headset,
because Kynast (Flying Dutchman) has an Italian fork.


Vespa Ciao set, 1"- 24 thread, 30.2 cups

Vespa Ciao or Bravo, 1″- 24 tpi, 30.2 cups

Vespa Ciao/Bravo  25.4 x 1.06 (1″- 24 tpi), 30.2 cups

Vespa mopeds are made in Italy by Piaggio.
1       135977 partial original set #5-10              $25
3a     145608  chrome cap nut, 32 oct (Bravo)    $20
3       137609  chrome open nut, 32 oct (Ciao)    $18 use bicycle
4a     145607  locking plate, 32 octagon (Bravo)  N/A
5       136258  adjustable cup chrome decagon    $12
6       123315  upper frame cone zinc   30.2 od    $8
7+8 10-00-39  orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each         $8 
7+8 JB-1909   #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each         $1.50
9       123316  lower frame cup chrome  30.2 od  $12
10     123317  lower cone (crown race)  26.5 id  $10
11   Vespa uses Italian headset standards, 26.5 and 30.2.
12


Schwinn set, 1"- 24 thread, 32.5 cups 1960's rechromed

Schwinn headset
1″- 24, 32.5 cups
1960’s re-chromed

1968 Schwinn Stingray equipped for BMX

1968 Schwinn
BMX equipped

Bicycle, Schwinn 25.4 x 1.06 (1″- 24 tpi), 32.5 cups

In the 50’s – 60’s USA this was a Schwinn-only head set size.In the late 1960’s BMX (bicycle moto cross) began. The first BMX bikes were 20″ kids bikes with off road tires, MX handlebars and seat. The Schwinn Stingray was preferred, because of it’s heavy duty construction and high quality. In the 70’s BMX equipment became Schwinn-compatible, including frames with 32.5 mm headset cups. BMX became very popular, as did the headset. In the 80’s it became the mountain bike (ATB) standard. In the 1990’s bigger 1-1/8″ steering tubes came out on high-end ATB’s, with 34.0 frame cups. Soon 34mm frames became the new ATB standard. Then bigger 1-1/4″ steering tubes and 37mm frames followed. Now this historic headset is almost obsolete.

BMX Headset, 1"-24 thread, 32.5 cups

BMX Headset, 1″-24 thread, 32.5 cups

This is a 1980’s-90’s BMX or ATB headset, 32.5 cups.
The cups fit Puch Magnum, Tomos and Sears Free Spirit.
1   JB-35334-0  EC32/26 Sunlite chrome headset $10
3   JB-35334-3  Sunlite chrome open nut, 32 hex   $5
4   JB-35334-4  keyed washer 26x34x1.5              $1
5   JB-35334-5  adjustable cone chrome               $3
6   JB-35334-6  upper frame cup chrome 32.5 od  $4
7   JB-35334-7  special retainer, 16-5/32″ each     $3
8   JB-35334-7  special retainer, 16-5/32″ each     $3
For 50 years these had #65 retainers, with 3/16″ balls.
9   JB-35334-9  lower frame cup chrome 32.5 od   $6
10 JB-35334-1  lower cone (crown race)  26.4 id   $8
The fit, roundness and finish are surprisingly good.

 


AMF headset, 1″-24 thread, 33.6 cups

Bicycle, American 25.4 x 1.06 (1″- 24.0 tpi), 33.6 cups

1      MP-0014    AMF original headset #3-10        $40
1a   JB-3512       Wald 4080 headset 3a-10 below $15

3     MP-0014-1  chrome AMF open nut, hex         $18
3a   JB-3510       Wald #220 chrome nut, 32 oct     $5
4     MP-0014-1a tab/lock washer                        $2
4a   JB-3503       1 inch keyed washer                  $1
5     MP-0014-2   adjustable cone, zinc                $8
6+9  MP-0014-4  frame cup zinc, each  33.6 od   $15
6a+9a JB-3513    Wald #410 cup, each 33/34 od  $6
7+8  MP-0014-3  #52 retainer 15 – 3/16″, each     $5
10    MP-0014-5  lower cone (crown race) 25.7 id  $7
10a  JB-35345     lower cone (crown race) 26.4 id  $8

Wald headset, 1"-24, 30/33 cups

Wald headset, 1″-24, 32.9/34.3 cups

This standard is on AMF, Colombia mopeds and bicycles.
Also traditional American bicycles, Murray, Huffy, etc.
Wald 4080 headset is for traditional or vintage American.
The Wald 410 replacement frame cups have 3 “bumps”.
The diameter is 32.9 mm, but 34.3 mm at the bumps.
Grind them down to fit any frame from 32.8 to 34.2 mm.

Colombia Fork Crown Race

American Crown Race: Unlike other fork crowns that have a small step at the base of the steering tube, American type bicycles have a smooth flare. The race #10 only touches at the top of the flare, and at the bottom floor of the fork. You can see in the right photo the crown race is cone shaped inside. All other crown races are cylindrical shaped inside. 

If an American type conical crown race is not available, then a 26.4 mm id standard crown race will substitute (at least it did on this fork), thanks to the bottom having enough straight section that is 26.5 mm outer diameter. It sounds crazy that a 26.4 race will substitute for a 25.5 one. That is why this explanation and pictures are needed here.

 

 

 

26.0 x 1.00 mm thread

 


Puch Maxi set, 26 -1.0 thread, 30.8 cups

Puch Maxi   26.0 x 1.00 (1.02″- 25.4 tpi), 30.8 cups

The Puch Maxi headset is the same as Sachs (Hercules).
1   0000000000 partial headset #5-10    see treatland.tv
2   3491300181 chrome open nut                     $7-$15
3   3491305181 chrome cap nut                      $8-$20
4   0009013935 plain washer 26x32x2              
$3
5   6001330071 adjustable cone chrome            $3-$5
6+9 6002330051 frame cup, zinc each  30.8 od N/A  2.0 thin wall
7+8 0003298    orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each      $8 
7+8 JB-1909    #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each      $1.50
10 6002330061 lower cone (crown race) 26.7 id $5-$8
11 3491300151 spring strap/sleeve 1.0/0.35 mm  N/A
Installed, the sleeve becomes 0.35 mm. So 26.7 = 26.0 + 2*0.35
These sizes are the traditional Austrian bicycle headset standard.
The 1984-86 Puch Cobra, was a “Magnum”, but it had this Maxi headset.


Sachs headset, 26-1.0 thread, 30.8 cups

Sachs/Hercules  26.0 x 1.00 (1.02″- 25.4 tpi), 30.8 cups

The Sachs headset is the same as a Puch Maxi headset.
1   5041009701 partial headset #5-10    see treatland.tv
2   9271013516 chrome open nut                     N/A  use Puch Maxi
3   9271013519 chrome cap nut                      N/A  use Puch Maxi
4   9279920817 plain washer 27x37x1.25        N/A

4a 9279919606  spacer ring 27x32x6           N/A
5   000000000 adjustable cone chrome          N/A  use Puch Maxi
6+9 00000000   frame cup, zinc each  30.8 od N/A  2.0 thin wall
7+8 00000000   orig. retainer 14-5/32″ each      $8 
7+8 JB-1909    #73 retainer, 16-5/32″ each      $1.50
10 000000000 lower cone (crown race) 26.7 id $5-$8
11 9219769501 spring strap/sleeve 1.0/0.35 thick N/A
Installed, the sleeve becomes 0.35 mm. So 26.7 = 26.0 + 2*0.35
These sizes are the traditional Austrian bicycle headset standard.


Sparta, KTM 26x1.0 32.0 cups

Sparta, KTM,  26-1.0 thread, 32.0 cups

Sparta/KTM   26.0 x 1.00 (1.02″- 25.4 tpi), 32.0 cups

1     00000000  complete headset #3-10            $35
2     335.01.01  chrome cap nut (Kreidler & KTM)  $8-$18
3     00000000  chrome cap-lug nut (for Sparta) $10-$20
This nut bottom is cone shaped, for centering, like a lug nut.
4     235.01.10  plain washer (for Kreidler & KTM)  $2
5     00000000  adjustable cup, bright zinc          $5-$8
6     235.01.02  adjustable cup chrome (Kreidler) $15
6     00000000  upper frame cone, zinc   32.0 od  $5-$8
7+8 JB-1908    #65 retainer, 15 – 3/16″ each      $2
7+8 00.69.27    22 – 3/16″ balls (Kreidler) each    $2/26
9     00000000  lower frame cup zinc    32.0 od   $5-$8
10   00000000  lower cone (crown race) 26.7 id  $5-$8
New crown races range from 26.65 to 26.74 mm id.


Puch Magnum set, 26-1.0 thread, 32.6 cups

Puch Magnum set, 26-1.0 thread, 32.6 cups

Puch Magnum   26.0 x 1.00 (1.02″- 25.4 tpi), 32.6 cups

Puch Magnum MkII, Sears Free Spirit 8084, 8085, 8086 silver:
3a 3211308181 chrome cap nut (zinc on Sears)  N/A
4b 3211308191 washer 29x35x.75             N/A  above plate
4a 3211308511 spacer 26x32x13.5             $8  below plate
Magnum XK, Sears Free Spirit 8080 blue, 8081,8082,8083 red:
3   3491305181 chrome cap nut                 $8-$20
4        9013935  washer 26x32x2.5              $3 below plate
All Puch Magnums (except Cobra) and Sears Free Spirits:
5   3211307081 adjustable cone zinc 51 od    $15-$20
6+9  25221  frame cup, zinc, each  32.6 od    $25  3.3 thick wall
7+8  25226  loose balls 5mm qty 21 each        $5/21 or use 3/16
10    25220  lower cone (crown race) 26.7 id   $5-$8
11    00000  early Schwinn cup, chrome 32.5  $12  2.0 thin wall
12    02016  Sears Free Spirit cup, zinc  32.6   $15  2.8 thick wall
13    00000  Schwinn/BMX cup, chrome 32.7   $20  2.6 thick wall


Tomos A3 and A35, 26-1.0 thread, 32.6 cups

Tomos 1975-2006  26.0 x 1.0 (1.02″-25.4 tpi) 32.6 cups

Tomos made Puchs, under license, from 1955 to 1974. 
That is why the steering parts also fit Puch Magnum.
3        200718  chrome open nut 32 hex           $8-$12
3a      219349  chrome cap nut 32 hex             $8-$15
4        206701  plain washer 26x36x1.5            $3
5a      200717  notched adjustment nut            $5
5b      200715  dust shield 26x47x9mm             $5
5c      200714  upper cone, no threads 26.0 id   $8
6       200558  upper frame cup, zinc  32.6 od $15  2.6 thick wall
7       044535  upper balls 5mm qty 21            $5
8       044535  lower balls 5mm qty 21            $5
9       200471  lower frame cup, zinc   32.6 od $20  2.6 thick wall
10     200714  lower cone (crown race)  26.0 id $8
11
The 1987-06 Tomos fork has M26-1.0 rolled threads 25.8 od, then smooth 25.1 od, flaring to 26.1 at arrow.
The 1975-86 Tomos fork has M26-1.0  cut  threads 25.8 od, then smooth 26.0 od, flaring to 26.1 at arrow.


Tomos A55 headset, 26-1.0 thread, 32.5 cups

Tomos 2007-2013  26.0 x 1.0 (1.02″-25.4 tpi) 32.5 cups

1        230741  partial headset #4-11               $40
The 2007-12 Parts Catalogs only have the older fork items.
So the 07-on EBR fork items, 10 and 11, are not available.
3       219349  chrome cap nut 32 hex               $8-$15
4       222848  chrome washer 26x36x2             $3
5a     200717  notched adjustment nut              $5
5b     200715  dust shield 26x47x9mm                $5
5c     200714  upper cone, no threads  26.0 id    $8
6      223155  upper frame cup, zinc   32.5 od   $15  2.6 thick wall
7      044535  upper balls 5mm qty 21               $5
8      044535  lower balls 5mm qty 21               $5
9      223157  lower frame cup, zinc   32.5 od   $18  2.6 thick wall
10     00000  lower cone (crown race)  27.4 id  N/A use 26.7-27.0
11     00000  spring strap/sleeve 1.0/0.4 thick   $10 for 27.4 race
The strap crushes down from 1.0 to 0.7 when installed.
So 27.4 = 26.0 + 2*0.7. Ideal strap is 0.7mm thick.

The 2007-13 Tomos fork has M26-1.0 cut threads 25.8 od, then smooth 26.0 od, with no flare.
Instead of a flare or step, it has a #11 spring strap, the same one that a Puch Maxi has.

 

 

28.0 x 1.00 mm thread

 


Vespa Si          28.0 x 1.00 (1.10″- 25.4 tpi)  41.2 cups

This futuristic early 1980’s moped has a bigger steering tube and bearings.
This size was also for an old French tandem, according to http://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-headsets.html

3      212152  chrome cap nut 36 oct               $20
4      000000
5      000000
6      000000  upper frame cup, zinc   41.2 od   $15  4.0 thick wall
7      000000  upper balls
8      000000  lower balls
9      000000  lower frame cup, zinc    41.2 od   N/A  4.0 thick wall
10     000000  lower cone (crown race)

 

28.6 x 0.98 mm thread

 


Bicycle (1-1/8″)  28.6 x 0.98 (1.125″- 26 tpi)  34.0 cups

EC34/30. This (1.125″) was the first oversize for 1990’s mountain bikes (ATB), 34.0 cups, 30.0 crown race.

 

 

31.8 x 0.98 thread

 


Bicycle (1-1/4″)  31.8 x 0.98 (1.25″- 26 tpi)  37.0 cups

EC37/33. This (1.25 inch) is the biggest external cup (EC) threaded bicycle headset, 37.0 cups, 33.0 crown race.

 


Handlebars and Grips

July 14, 2014

Contents:  1. Specifications   2. Aftermarket Moped Handlebars   3. OEM Handlebars 

xxxxxxxxx 4. Other Handlebars   5. Grips


1. Handlebar Specifications

Natural angle: Close your eyes, clench your hands in a fist, relax, and put both arms forward and down a little. That is the natural position of your hands. They form an angle, called θf, viewed from the front, and another angle, called θt, viewed from the top. Handlebars are all close to the average natural position of human hands. 

Positioning: Clamp-on handlebars can rotate in the clamps. During installation the rider chooses the best clamping position, for comfort and control. Most handlebars (except Clubman) are positioned with the rising part going straight up when viewed from the side. A rider with short arms might prefer a more rearward position, while a rider with long arms might want a more forward position. 

Flipping (inverting): Any clamp-on handlebar can be flipped over (inverted). But most will feel wrong and strain the wrists. Of the handlebars shown below, only the Clubman and Drag bars can be flipped over, and still feel right.

Dimensions are width, height, rise, clamp length, control length, pullback.

Dimensions: Six lengths can completely describe a handlebar, without the need for angles. Here the side-view angle θs, and the top-view angle θt, are calculated from the lengths R, H, P, L, W, and C.

tan(θt) = 2*P / (W-C)

sin(θf) = (R-H) / L  

Measuring: When measuring the dimensions, the end points are at the centers of the tubes, not the edges. The handlebar is placed on a flat table. With the rises vertical, the rise and height are measured from the center of the bar, straight down to the table, with 1/2 of the bar width subtracted (-0.4 inch). With the rises horizontal, the pullback is measured similarly. 

Height: Looking from the front, most handlebars, especially low ones, slant down slightly going outward, at an angle θf, because the height is less than the rise. On some handlebars, the height is greater than the rise, and θf is negative.

Pullback: Looking at most motorcycle bars from the top, the bars slant rearward, at an angle θt, because the pullback is greater than zero. When the pullback is zero, θt becomes zero. Cruiser bars are for comfort and have a large pullback, where the bar ends point more towards the back of the bike. Drag bars are for high powered acceleration, and have a small pullback for control and grip.

2D or 3D: When the pullback is zero, the handlebar is 2-dimensional and will lay completely flat. Otherwise, most 4-bend (non-Drag) bars are 3D and do not lay flat on a table. 2D handlebars are simpler to make, but don’t feel “right”, except maybe at one particular position. 3D handlebars are more complicated to make, but will feel “right” in a range of positions.  

Width: Wider handlebars allow better control. Off road bikes have wider bars. Narrow bars have less control, but are more aerodynamic for better fuel economy or higher top speed, and can squeeze through smaller spaces, like in between stopped cars.

Rise: High rise handlebars are taller, and put the hands higher. This can position the rider’s torso in a more upright position, for helping with back pain. Higher bars allow better control when standing up, like when jumping or hitting pot holes. Low rise handlebars put the rider leaning more forward. That reduces wind drag for higher top speed or better fuel efficiency.

Control length: Motorcycle handlebars need about 3 inches more control length than bicycle handlebars. They have thumb-operated levers or buttons, in addition to the finger-operated hand levers. Motorcycles have a twist throttle and a hydraulic brake on the right that takes up space. For motorcycles the minimum control length is roughly 8 inches. For mopeds it is about 6 inches. For bicycles it is about 5 inches. Any handlebar that has extra control length, can be cut shorter, up to the minimum control length, to reduce it’s width. 

Clamp length: The center straight area needs to be at least as long as the clamps. Motorcycles have wider handlebar clamps than mopeds. Here is a table of moped handlebar clamp spacings:

xxxxxxxxx xx inner  outer
Tomos A55 xx 1.7″ xx 3.1″  only this fork has enough inner space for bicycle bars with a 1″ x 1.7″ center bulge
Puch Maxi xx 1.55 xx 3.2
Hercules xxxx 1.2 xxx 2.4
Peugeot 103 x 1.2 xxx 2.3
Cimatti xxxx none xxx 2.4
Motobecane x 1.5 xxx 2.7

Applications: Not all mopeds can accept clamp-on “universal” handlebars. Some mopeds have bolt-on handlebars, where there are plates welded to the bar that bolt to the fork. Some mopeds have stem-mounted handlebars, where there is a long neck that goes inside the fork, held by a wedge bolt.

Thickness: Most modern 7/8 handlebars are  0.875 inch = 22.2 mm.

Vintage metric handlebars, are 0.863 to 0.866 inch = 21.9 to 22.0 mm.

The dual standard can sometimes cause problems.

22.0 controls on 22.2 bars: Wedge type controls, such as Domino, for 22.0 bars cannot fit on 22.2 bars. Wedge type controls do not clamp, but instead press a cone into the bottom of the handlebar. 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s “vintage” Domino controls have a fixed size hole, 22.0 mm, for 21.9 bars.

22.2 controls on 22.0 bars: Original vintage handlebars 22.0, with 1970’s Magura clamp type controls, require a strip of aluminum can under the clamp, to hold solid onto the handlebar. Otherwise the throttle slips around the bar. 1990’s and 2000’s “modern” Domino wedge type controls have a 22.3 mm hole, that works fine on either modern 22.2 or vintage 22.0 bars.

 


2. New Aftermarket Handlebars for Mopeds

Bikemaster

Bikemaster new replacement handlebars for mopeds are made in chrome or powder coated black.

The chrome ones are all 0.869″ = 22.07 mm thick, less than 7/8 inch

The thinner chrome fits into all clamp type, all modern wedge type, and most vintage wedge type controls. Some vintage 22.0 mm controls require sanding of the high places on the 22.07 mm chrome handlebar. Often the bar is to wide at the sides, but not at the top and bottom. It is difficult not to scratch the exposed area.

The black ones are 0.88 to 0.89″ = 22.4 to 22.6 mm, more than 7/8″

The thicker black powder coated bar fits Magura clamp type controls, but can interfere with wedge type controls. With Italian made Domino wedge type controls, the thicker 0.89″ (22.6mm) bar does not fit into the fixed-size hole (modern 22.3 or vintage 22.0 mm).

The black powder coating can be sanded off, to reduce the thickness. But it is difficult to not scratch the exposed area. 

  

 

GP Touring bars chrome 110520 $25
GP Touring bars black 110521 N/A

GP Touring Bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″
xxxxxx width  30″
xxxxxx height  2.0
xxxxxxxx rise  2.3
xclamp length  5.0
control length  8.2
xxxx pull back  4.7

These bars have plenty of  control length, 8 inches. Most mopeds only need 6 inches. So each end can be cut 2″, to reduce the overall width by about 3″, from 30 to 27″.  

 

 

Superbike bars chrome 110510 $25
Superbike bars b? 110511 $25

Superbike Bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″
xxxxxx width  29″
xxxxxx height  3.0
xxxxxxxx rise  2.0
xclamp length  4.2
control length  9.0
xxxx pull back  3.1

These bars have plenty of control length, 9 inches. Most mopeds only need 6 inches. So each end can be cut 3″, to reduce the overall width by about 5″, from 29 to 24″.  

 

 

 

Daytona bars chrome 110550 $25
Daytona bars black 110551 $25

Daytona bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″
xxxxxxx width  29″
xxxxxx height  5.0
xxxxxxxx rise  3.0
xclamp length  4.8
control length  8.2
xxxx pull back  3.3

These bars have plenty of control length, 8 inches. Most mopeds only need 6 inches. So each end can be cut 2″, to reduce the overall width by about 3″, from 29 to 26″. 

 

 

 

 

Drag bars chrome 110500 $22
Drag bars black 110501 $22

Drag bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″
xxxxxx width  28″
xxxxxx height  0.0
xxxxxxxx rise  0.0
xclamp length  6.0
control length  9.5
xxxx pull back  2.6

These are the only two-bend handlebar. All others have four bends. That makes them cost less. Most mopeds only need 6″ of control length, so 3.5″ can be cut from each end, to reduce the width by about 6″, from 28 to 22″.

 

 

 

Clubman bars chrome 110540 $28
Clubman bars black 110541 $28

Clubman bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″
xxxxxx width  28″
xxxxxx height  0.0
xxxxxxxx rise  3.3
xclamp length  5.5
control length  10.0
xxxx pull back  5.9

These bars are shown inverted, with the rises going upward. In this position the bars are higher, but still at an angle that feels right. Normally they are installed with the rises going down and forward. That position is what racing bikes have, for reduced wind drag.

For mopeds that only need 6″ of control length, each end can be cut 4″, to reduce the width by about 6″, from 28 to 22″.

 

 

 

 


3. OEM Handlebars

Most Original Equipment Manufacturer handlebars are available in a range of conditions. All are straight, unless noted. Some are new, some good used, and some are pitted, peeling or scratched. Some have tiny scuffs from being jostled around in parts bins. They are priced accordingly. Photos of actual choices are available, by email. 


Cimatti

Cimatti bars
3110 $20-$45 good used

1975 Cimatti City Bike

Cimatti 3110 bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  9.6
xxxxxxxx rise   9.3
xclamp length  3.0
control length  6.2
xxxx pull back  6.5

These bars have a plate and a clamp. The clamp has the strength to hold the bar, while the plate keeps it in that one position. The clamp will still hold if the plate is cut off. Without the plate the bar position is adjustable. Curiously this Cimatti handlebar is made by Garelli. See the tilted G logo?

Cimatti bars with welded-on levers
2940 $70 very good used

Cimatti 2940 bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  23″
xxxxxx height  9,5
xxxxxxxx rise  10.0
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.2
xxxx pull back  7.3

 

 

 

 


Garelli

Garelli bars-with-stem
500.204.5100 $35 rusted (shown)

1976 Garelli Eureka Flex

Garelli 1975-79 bars-with-stem

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  22.5
xxxxxx height  7.9 plus stem
xxxxxxxx rise  8.3 plus stem
xclamp length  —
control length  5.8
xxxx pull back  5.1

These bars are on 1975-79 Garelli mopeds. They can adjust up and down, by how far the stem is inserted.

 

 

 

No photo available. None available.

1978 Super Sport XL

Garelli 1977-79 high bars-with-stem

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  23?
xxxxxx height
xxxxxxxx rise
xclamp length  —
control length  5.8?
xxxx pull back

These bars are on 1977-78 Garelli Supersport XL and others.

 

 

Garelli bars-with-plate
xxxxxx.xxxx N/A good used (shown)

1978 Garelli Super Sport LTD

Garelli 1978-79 bars-with-plate

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  23″
xxxxxx height  11.1
xxxxxxxx rise  10.2
xclamp length  —
control length  5.7
xxxx pull back  3.6

These bars are on certain 1978-79 models. The bottom of the handlebar has a chrome steel plate that says Garelli. The chrome handlebar plate bolts to the painted fork top plate. The fork top plate is made of stamped sheet steel. For these bolt-on bars the fork top plate was made too thin, causing most to crack near the edges of the handlebar plate. Garelli soon realized this problem, and stopped making the bars-with-plate design in 1979.

 

Garelli clamp-on high rise bar
507643.5100 n.a. not available

1978 Garelli VIP

Garelli 1978-86 clamp-on bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width
xxxxxx height
xxxxxxxx rise
xclamp length
control length
xxxx pull back

These bars are on most 1980-86 Garelli, US models, and 1978-79 VIP and LTD (mag wheel) deluxe models. For about one year in 1978-79 all three handlebar designs were on Garelli mopeds, handlebar-with-stem, handlebar-with-plate, and clamp-on handlebar. But by 1980, all models had the clamp-on handlebar design, with strengthened fork top plate that did not crack easily.

 


Gitane

1978 Gitane Confort

Gitane bars-with-plate
052181 $40 good used (shown)

Gitane bars-with-plate

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  23.5
xxxxxx height  5.4
xxxxxxxx rise  6.6
xclamp length  —
control length 6.2
xxxx pull back  6.5

The 1977-80 Gitane mopeds (US models) had this bolt-on handlebar. Many Gitanes (made in Italy by Testi) were from Southern California.

 

 


Honda

Honda NC50 bars  $50 (shown)

Honda NC50 Express bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  23.5
xxxx xx height  9.5
xxxxxx xx rise  8.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.0

These clamp-on bars are on 1987-83 Honda NC50 Express and PA50 Hobbit. They have large holes for the electrical wires to go inside the handlebar. They also have small holes for the little pins that hold the controls in a fixed position. They also have rubber-grommet covered holes for the throttle and choke or decomp cable. So altogether there are 7 holes.  

 


Kreidler

Kreidler bars
355.0301 $45 good used

Kreidler bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  8.7
xxxxxxxx rise  8.8
xclamp length  3.2
control length  6.3
xxxx pull back  3.5

These clamp-on bars are on Kreidler Flory MP9 and MP19 mopeds. The handlebar has a short tab under the center, that fits into a slot in the fork top plate.

 

 


Motobecane

Motobecane clamp-on bars
21143 $20 – $40 used, straight

1977 Motobecane 50V

Motobecane 50V bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  21.5
xxxxxx height  6.3
xxxxxxxx rise  6.2
xclamp length  3.5
control length  5.5
xxxx pull back  4.6

These bars are on 1975-1980 Motobecane mopeds, US models 7, 40, 50, 50V, Moby, Le Moped.

 


Peugeot

Peugeot 103 bars
56320 (not available)

1977 Peugeot 103 LVS

Peugeot 103LVS bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width
xxxxxx height
xxxxxxxx rise
xclamp length
control length
xxxx pull back

These bars are on Peugeot 103LS and 103LVS models. They are so scarce that no sample was available for a photo and measurement.

 

 

 

1980 Peugeot 103 SPB

Peugeot SP bars
52711 $70 new old stock

Peugeot 103SP bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ 21.9 mm
xxxxxxx width  22.3
xxxxxx height  7.5
xxxxxxxx rise  7.0
xclamp length  2.8
control length  6.5
xxxx pull back  4.2

These bars are on 102SP and 103SP models. They have thin wall tubing, for light weight, but they bend easily. So unbent originals are scarce.

 

 

 


Puch

Puch 1969-77 Maxi bars-with-stem
349..232..1000 $35 used, pitted

1977 Puch Maxi
bars-with-stem

Puch 1969-77 bars-with-stem

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width  23″
xxxxxx height  6.0 plus stem
xxxxxxxx rise  6.0 plus stem
xclamp length  —-
control length  5.5
xxxx pull back  2.8

These bars are on early Puch Maxi models, 1969 to 1977. The height is adjustable by the position of the stem.

 

1977 Puch Maxi
with clamp-on bars

Puch Maxi 1977-86 clamp-on bars
321..532..3011 see below for prices

Puch 1977-86 bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width 24.2″
xxxxxx height  8.8
xxxxxxxx rise  8.6
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back 4.3

These clamp-on bars are on 1978-79 Maxi Luxe, Newport, Maxi II, and 1980-86 Maxi, Maxi Luxe, Newport II.  

 

Puch Maxi fork top plates
L for bars-with-stem $15 – $10
R  for clamp-on bars  $35 – $30

1. $25 straight, clean, but pitted
2. $25 straight, clean, but pitted
3. $25 straight, clean, but pitted
4. $10 straight, badly pitted
5. $20 straight, clean, pitted
6. $20 straight, clean, pitted
7. $10 straight, badly pitted
8. $15 straight, but pitted
9. $75 straight, new or like new
10. $50 straight, almost no pitting
11. $60 straight, no pitting, like new
12. $25 straight, dark blue sparkle

 

 

1985 Puch Maxi,
with tall bars

Puch tall bars
321..432..3011  N/A  used scratched

Puch tall bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.866″ 22.0 mm
xxxxxxx width 25.7
xxxxxx height  10.6
xxxxxxxx rise  10.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  4.1

These bars are the same as Maxi bars but taller. They are on 1977-78 Sport, Sport MkII, and 1984-86 Maxi, Maxi Sport LS, Maxi Sport LS 2. They are heavy because of thick wall tubing. 

 

1980 Magnum II

Puch tall cross bars
321..832..3011 $25-$35 used pitted

Puch tall cross bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width 25.7
xxxxxx height  10.6
xxxxxxxx rise  10.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  4.5

These bars are the same as tall bars, but have a curved crossbar. They are on 1979-86 Sport, Sport MkII and 1980 Magnum II.

 

1978 Magnum MkII

Puch Magnum cross bars
321..132.8012 N/A

Puch low cross bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.862″ (21.9mm)
xxxxxxx width 25″
xxxxxx height  8.6
xxxxxxxx rise  8.4
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  4.3

These bars are similar to Maxi bars, but shorter and with a curved crossbar. They are on 1978-79 Magnum XK, Magnum MkII.

 

 


Sparta

1980 Sparta Buddy

Sparta handlebars, 8 available, from
$20 scuffed or faded, to $60 like new

Sparta bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.871″ (22.1mm)
xxxxxxx width 22.8
xxxxxx height  6.3
xxxxxxxx rise  7.3
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back 5.6

 

There are several mopeds with these handlebars: Sparta Foxi GT, Sparta Buddy, Sparta Lucky, Sparta Flying Dutchman, and others. These bars are the same as Batavus VA, Batavus Starflite, Batavus Regency bars, but with more pullback. They are made in Holland with high quality chrome that resists rusting.

 


Tomos

1979-86 Tomos controls
(made by Magura)

1986-91 Tomos controls
(made by Domino)

1992-08 Tomos controls
(made by HR)

< These Tomos controls do not have a post, so the handlebar does not need holes.

 

 

 

 

 

2001-07 Tomos controls
(made by Domino)

2008-13 Tomos controls
(made by TBS)

< These Tomos controls have a post that goes into a hole in the handlebar. When changing handlebars, holes have to be drilled. The holes have to be in a particular place to make the levers the same, and at the correct angle. 

 

 

 

 

 

1979 Tomos Bullet

Tomos 1974-1979 bars with stem
209.178 $45 used (shown)

Tomos 1974-1979 bars-with-stem

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.867″ (22.0mm)
xxxxxxx width  23.4
xxxxxx height  7.0
xxxxxxxx rise  6.8
xclamp length  —-
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.2

This stem type handlebar is what bicycles have. Older mopeds were more like bicycles. The stem can be positioned to make the bars higher or lower.

 

 

 

1979-1991 Tomos bars chrome
214810 $20 rusty, to $60 almost new

1987 Tomos Bullet

Tomos 1979-1991 bars

xxx thickness ∼7/8″ 0.867″ (22.0mm)
xxxxxxx width 24.3
xxxxxx height  7.6
xxxxxxxx rise  7.0
xclamp length  3.5
control length  6.5
xxxx pull back  3.8

 

 

 

1985 Golden Bullet

Tomos 1985-08 bars black
222888 N/A new (no holes)
222888 $13-$18 used

Tomos 1985-2008 bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0875″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  7.5
xxxxxxxx rise  7.9
xclamp length  4.0
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.7

These bars do not have the holes for 2008-13 controls.

 

 

2010 Tomos ST

Tomos 2008-13 bars black
242199 N/A new (with holes)
242199 $12-$25 used 

Tomos 2008-2013 bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0875″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  24″
xxxxxx height  7.5
xxxxxxxx rise  7.9
xclamp length  4.0
control length  6.0
xxxx pull back  3.7

These bars have the holes for late-model Domino or TBS controls.

 

 

Tomos Streetmate bars chrome
236416 $30 used (with holes)

2005-12 Streetmate

Tomos Streetmate bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0872″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  26.2″
xxxxxx height  4.2
xxxxxxxx rise  5.6
xclamp length  4.3
control length  7.7
xxxx pull back  5.7

These have holes for late Domino or TBS controls.

 

Tomos Revival bars chrome
242042 $40 (with holes)

2002-12 Tomos Revival

Tomos Revival bars

xxx thickness  ∼7/8″ 0.0872″ (22.2mm)
xxxxxx width  25.0″
xxxxxx height  6.6
xxxxxxxx rise  8.1
xclamp length  4.3
control length  7.5
xxxx pull back  6.7

These have holes for late Domino or TBS controls.

 

 


4. Other Handlebars

Bicycle 7/8 bars with 1″ center 

Wald bicycle bars

2009 Tomos Sprint
with Wald 3346 bars

Wald 3346 bars chrome
3346 $15 (made in USA)

xxx thickness  7/8″ 0.0876 = 22.3mm
xxxxxx width  20.3″
xxxxxx height  5.0
xxxxxxxx rise  4.8
xclamp length   3.5 with 1″ x 1.7″ center
control length   6.0
xxxx pull back  2.5

On most older mopeds the clamps are too close to the 1.7 inch long center bulge. On 2008-13 Tomos, the forks are wider than vintage mopeds forks, and the handlebar clamps are spaced 1.7″, far enough apart . So the Wald 3346 handlebar fits pretty much only modern Tomos mopeds. See the table of moped fork clamp spacings above. For 2001-13 Tomos controls made by Domino or TBS, holes must be drilled into the handlebar, because those controls have posts. But the fresh chrome gives a classic look, and the height is sensible.

 


Bicycle 7/8 bars with 7/8″ center

 

 

 

 


5. Grips

Size: Almost all small motorcycle left (L) grips are inside diameter 22mm (7/8″), to fit the bare handlebar. Right (R) grips are ID 25mm (1″) to fit the throttle twist tube. Moped grips are shorter than most motorcycles. The left side doesn’t matter, but the right side does. When the left grip is longer, the lever housing (perch) is moved over to make room. When the right grip is longer, it must hang over the end, or possibly make the throttle stick. Standard motorcycle grips are 115 to 130mm (4½ to 5¼”) long, or more. Vintage moped grips are short, 100 to 115mm (4″ to 4½”). There’s not a big selection in the shorter size.

 

#  pt# left/right length  description xxxxxx  price  applications and remarks


01 414300  R x 100  Magura waffle (used)  $14.0 used in good condition

02 414310  L x 100  Magura waffle (used)  $11.0 used in good condition

03 494170  R x 105  Magura black ribbed    $10  replica for Puch, Peugeot, Batavus, others

04 494200  L x 105  Magura black ribbed    $3.00 orig or replica for Puch, Peugeot, Batavus

05 D22 xxx L x 100  Domino ribbed (used)  $12  orig on most Italian 1970’s, see below

05 D21 xxx R x 100  Domino ribbed (used)  $15  used in good condition, scarce, maybe others

06 21654x  R x 100  Motobecane rib grey    N/A for reference

06 21655x  L x 100  Motobecane rib grey    N/A for reference

07 PG761C  set 105  Pro Grip Superbike cut $12  #13 modern gel grips shortened by 20mm

08 PVright  R x 105  PV ribbed 70’s Italian   N/A  original on some 70’s Italian, see below

09 PGO767  set 116  ProGrip Scooter grip   $12  modern gel replacement

10 494080   set 115  Magura block 80’s      $12  new fresh, original on Puch Magnum

11 1973.82  set  115  Domino octagon 80’s   $15  new fresh in original Domino package

12 PVleft    L x 112  PV ribbed 70’s Italian    N/A  original on some 70’s Italian, see below

13 PGO761  set 125  Pro Grip Superbike gel $12  aftermarket modern gel

14 utahgrp  set 120  large foam black ends  $10  aftermarket vintage, new in sealed package

15 170766  set 125  lg foam chrome ends   $20  close to orig. on Tomos Revival, Streetmate

16 232876  R x 125 lg foam chrome ends   $13 original Tomos, end caps break off

16 232877  L x 125 lg foam chrome ends    $13 original Tomos, end caps break off

 

 

 

OEM grips: Original equipment grips, some new and some used, are offered for “correct” restorations, when modern replacement grips are not desired. Many original grips are not for sale, but are shown for reference. OEM grips are usually made by the controls maker. Below are the major moped controls makers.

Domino controls

Domino controls are made in Italy. They are on most Italian mopeds, such as Arciero, Aspes, Baretta/Piccoli, Beta, Bianchi, Cimatti, Concord/Fantic, Demm, Gadabout, Garelli, Malaguti, Motobecane Sebring, Motomarina, Motron, Negrini, Pacer/Italtelai, Snark, late 80’s Tomos, and Vespa/Piaggio. 1970’s Domino controls are silver with chrome (stamped stainless steel) levers. Early 80’s were black, most with integrated diamond shape switches and chrome levers. 1970’s and early 80’s had black ribbed grips 100mm long. Late 70’s and early 80’s had waffle style grips. Early 80’s had basketball texture grips. Mid to late 80’s had all black controls with built-in switches and octagon style grips (also called square because they are shaped like a square with shaved off corners). See Domino 

Magura controls are made in Germany. They were on most non-Italian European mopeds, such as Batavus, Columbia, Hercules/Sachs, JC Penney, Kreidler, Kromag, Kynast, Murray, Peugeot, Puch, Solo/Odyssey, Sparta/Foxi, 70’s to early 80’s Tomos, and Trac. Magura moped grips evolved like Domino. 70’s Magura controls were silver with silver levers (stamped aluminum) with black ribbed grips. Late 70’s to early 80’s controls were black with silver levers, and waffle style grips, early 80’s was block style, or basketball texture. See Magura

Motobecane controls are made in France. They are on 1970’s to early 80’s Motobecane mopeds. The 70’s had silver with chrome levers, 80’s were black with chrome levers. They had built-in (integrated) switches. 70’s grips were grey ribbed 100mm long, 80’s were black ribbed 100mm.

PV controls are made in Italy. They are on some 1970’s Italian mopeds, such as Benelli, Califfo, Cosmo (some), Intramotor Gloria, Moto Guzzi, Testi/Gitane and Velomec. They are silver with black plastic levers. The grips are black ribbed, very close to Domino, but they have a PV logo. The right PV grip is 105mm, but the left one is longer 112mm. See Other controls

Taiwan controls are made in Taiwan. They are on Taiwan mopeds such as General, Lazer, Indian, Angel and others. They are cast aluminum housings and levers, with built-in switches and buttons, made the same as early 70’s “baby” Hondas, such as PC50. The 1970’s ones had black ribbed short grips 100mm long. The ribs are small and have gaps. See Other controls


Reflectors

July 14, 2014

Under construction…


Forks

July 14, 2014

Contents:  A. Forks   B. Fork Parts   C. Swing Arms

 

 


A. Forks

 

Part # # ←picture#………Description Price      Applications
###### ### ############################# #### ##################################
…… F…R…O…N…T……F…O…R…K…S……
fork assy used straight Puch Maxi $100 Puch Maxi
fork assy used straight Motobecane $80 Motobecane
fork assy used straight Tomos early $100 Tomos 75-85
fork assy used straight Tomos N/A Tomos 86-06
fork assy used straight Batavus $100 Batavus 76-78
fork assy used straight Peugeot 103 LVS $100 Peugeot 103 LVS 76-80
fork assy used straight Peugeot 103 SP N/A Peugeot 103 SP 78-80 longer
many other used straight forks call
fork assy new Tomos Sprint/ST/LX silver Tomos 07-later Sprint/ST/LX
fork assy new Tomos Revival longer silver Tomos 07-later Revival&Streetmate
fork assy new Tomos Streetmate-R black Tomos 07-later Revival&Streetmate
fork tube one Peugeot 103 LVS new $50 Peugeot 103 LVS 76-80
fork tube one Peugeot 103 SP new $65 Peugeot 103 SP 78-80 longer
fork tube one Tomos A35 new $40 Tomos A3/A35 86-06
fork tube one used w/bushings Puch $45 Puch Maxi 75-86
fork bushing one nylon Puch Maxi $20 scarce Puch Maxi 75-86
fork top nut open hole early Puch Maxi $8 fits almost all mopeds
fork top nut closed late Puch Maxi $10 fits almost all mopeds

 

 


B. Fork Parts

 

1. Clamp-on Headlight Mounts

 

Clamp-on headlight mounts

For 28-30 mm fork tubes:

$17/pair or $9 each for Version 1 with EBR logo, no holes

$19/pair or $10 each for Version 2 with turn signal holes

 

 

For 26mm fork tubes:

The 28-30 brackets can work on 26mm fork tubes, with a 1.5mm rubber sleeve under the clamp.
The rubber sleeve also helps reduce vibration of the head light.
$2/
pair or $1 each for 1.5mm thick large black rubber washers used as sleeves.

 

 

 

 

 


C. Swing Arms

Myrons has original swing arms. They are yet displayed or listed. Use email to inquire.

 

 

 

 


Shocks

July 14, 2014

Welcome. Shocks are priced and sold by each unless stated.

Price Range: Dark green price is for used in rough condition. Bright green price is for new condition. Some shocks are available in various used states, ranging from “rough” to “like new”. So the dark green is the lower limit, and the bright green is the upper limit, of the price range. Most will be in between the low and the high, and priced accordingly.

N/A means Not Available. 

 

Damping: Most of these rear shocks do not have hydraulic fluid (oil) damping. Since most are pure springs with no damping, they are very bouncy. Certain high quality ones have some damping, and are less bouncy.

Length: The length is from center of hole to center of hole.

Width: Besides length and eyelet sizes, some shocks are limited in width by the frame or body panels. On Motobecane for example, you can’t put wider shocks even with the same length and eyelets (unless some bodywork is cut off).

Stiffness: You can’t tell how strong a spring is, until you squeeze it. Heavier people need heavier springs, and vice versa. 

Travel: Mopeds are for going slow on smooth roads, and so do not need much suspension travel (how far the wheels can move up or down when hitting a big bump). More travel makes the bike taller, but more able to handle bumps. 2 to 4 inches is typical. 


Shocks with 8mm Eyelets

Motobecane 1976-81 original

11.0″ 280 x8x8  $15-70
Motobecane 1976-81 original

Motobecane factory option

11.0″ 280 x8x8  $35-70
Motobecane factory option

 

 

 

 

 

Puch Maxi original shocks

11.8″ 300 x8x8 $35-70
Puch Maxi original

For Puch Maxi replacement shocks, use the 12 inch 12mm eyelet ones below, with the original 8 x 12mm spacer tubes from the old shocks placed inside the 12mm eyelets.

 

 

 


Shocks with 8 and 10 Eyelets

Peugeot 51324 early

12.6″ 320 x10x8  $20-70
Peugeot 51324 (aluminum)
1975-77 Peugeot 103 LVS

Peugeot 51324 late

12.6″ 320 x10x8  $35-80
Peugeot 51324 (chrome)
1978-83 Peugeot 103 LVS
made in Italy by CiTe

Peugeot 59763

13.9″ 355 x10x8   N/A
Peugeot 59763
1978-81 Peugeot 103 SP

 

 

 

 

 

Peugeot 103 has a upper 10mm eyelet and a lower 8mm. The lower 8mm bolt can be replaced with a 10mm one, after drilling the frame hole, to accept a more common replacement shock with both 10mm eyelets. 


Shocks with 10mm Eyelets

Vespa Grande rear shocks

9.9″ 250 x10x10 $20-45
Vespa (Piaggio)
1978-86 Vespa Grande

Cimatti

10.3″ 263 x10x10 $20-45
1976-80 Cimatti City Bike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tomos 207049 rear shock

11″ 280 x10x10 $15-40
Tomos 207049
1977-91 Tomos Bullet

Tomos 219188 rear shock

11.0″ 280 x10x10  N/A
Tomos 219188 (early)
1979-85 Silver Bullet

11.0" 280 219188 late 1986-91 Golden Bullet

11″ 280 x10x10  N/A
Tomos 219188 (late)
86-91 Golden Bullet

Tomos 227236 rear shocks

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $40
Tomos 227236 (white)
1992-95 most models

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tomos 229357 rear shock

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $35
Tomos 229357 (grey)
1996-07 most models

Tomos 227172 (early)

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $35
Tomos 227172 (early)
1992-07 some models

Tomos 227172 (late)

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $45
Tomos 227172 (late)
2007-13 most models

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tomos HD shock

11.0″ 280 x10x10  $40
aftermarket

Gitane chrome shocks

11.4″ 290 x10x10  $30
original replacement
1977-80 Gitane

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Revival rear shock

11.8″ 300 x10x10   $30
Tomos 232713 (wide)
2001-13 Tomos Revival, Streetmate

Tomos 221032 rear shock

12.7″ 320 x10x10  $55
Tomos 221032 (performance)
2008-13  Tomos Streetmate-R

<< This Tomos 221032 shock has more travel, more precision, and other features that make it outperform most other moped shocks. It has some damping, more than other moped shocks, but not as much as a true hydraulic shock. It is also adjustable in spring preload (stiffness) for different rider weights. The longer travel makes bumps feel smaller.

 

 

 

 

 

 

320x10x10 shocks

12.7″ 320 x10x10 $80/pair
aftermarket

12.7″ 320 x10x10 N/A
Columbia 745-0168 (sheet-metal frame)

13.0″ 330 x10x10 N/A
Columbia 745-0175 (mono-tube frame)

13.6" 350 x10x10 Sparta Sparta Foxi, Buddy

13.6″ 350 x10x10 $30-60
1976-84 Sparta Foxi, Buddy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Shocks with 12mm Eyelets

12 inch go-kart shocks

12.0″ 305 x12x12  N/A
aftermarket

 

For Puch Maxi replacements, use these but with the original 8 x 12mm spacer tubes from the old shocks placed inside the 12mm eyelets.

 

 


Table of Moped Shock Sizes

 

 

 

 

Myrons Moped Shocks Rack

M y r o n s   V i n t a g e   M o p e d   S h o c k s   R a c k
Row 1 Left
09.2″ 235 x 8 x 8  Kreidler
2  11.0″ 280 x 8 x 8  Motobecane
3  11.0″ 280 x 8 x 8  Motobecane
4  11.7″ 295 x 8 x 8  Peugeot 102
5  12.0″ 305 x 8 x 8  Puch Maxi
6  ??.?” xxx x 8 x 8  ?????????   xxx x 8 x 8  ?????x??? ??????
7

Row 1 Right
1  12.0″ 305 x 8 x 8  Puch Maxi (coil)x
2  12.5″ 315 x 8 x 8  xxxxxxxxxx xxxx
3  ??.?” xxx x 8 x 8  ????????? ??????
4  13.7″ 345 x 8 x 8  Free Spirit (red)
5  13.9″ 350 x 8 x 8  Puch Magnum XK x
6  14.1″ 360 x 8 x 8  Puch Magnum MKII  ??.?” xxx x 8 x 8  ?????x??? ??????
7  14.1″ 360 x 8 x 8  same but lightweight

Row 2 Left
1  09.9″ 250 x10x10  Vespa Grande????????? ????
2  10.2″ 260 x10x10  Garelli (short)
3  10.3″ 263 x10x10  Cimatti (short)
4  10.5″ 267 x10x10  Italian (CiTe)
5  10.7″ 275 x10x10  Cimatti (long)
6  11.0″ 280 x10x10  Tomos Bullet
7  11.0″ 280 x10x10  Tomos Targa

???????? ??????
Row 2 Right
1  11.2″ 285 x10x10  ?????????? ????
2  ??.?” xxx x10x10  ?????????? ????
3  11.2″ 285 x10x10  Honda PA50 xx
4  11.5″ 290 x10x10  Gitane chrome
5  11.8″ 300 x10x10  Garelli (long)x
6  11.8″ 300 x10x10  Batavus HS50
7  11.8″ 300 x10x10  Batavus Reg.

Row 3 Left
1  12.0″ 305 x10x10  Garelli (long) ?
2  12.0″ 305 x10 x 8  Peugeot 103
3  12.1″ 310 x10x10  Trac
4  12.1″ 310 x10x10  General
5  12.2″ 310 x10x10  Indian
6  12.2″ 310 x12x12  motorcycle
7  13.7″ 350 x10x 8

Row 3 Right
1  13.6″ 350 x10x10  Sparta Foxi ????
2  13.9″ 355 x10 x 8  Peugeot 103SP
3  13.6″ 345 x12x12  motorcycle ????
4  13.0″ 330 x12x12  motorcycle ????
5  12.6″ 320 x12x12  motorcycle ????
6 12.6″ 320 x12x10  Honda Trail 90
7  11.1″ 283 x12x12  lightweight xxx

 

 

 


More shocks are with their brands and not shown here, yet…

 

 


Seats

July 14, 2014

There are a few more seats available not listed here.

bicycle seats have a 7/8″=22mm clamp      seat poles are 24-35mm w/22mm top end

 

4904 beach cruiser seat single w/springs $20  fits any moped with a bicycle-style seat pole

36098 seat single deluxe XL with/springs $40 any moped with a bicycle-style seat pole

seat single Peugeot new with 1″ post $45  fits Peugeot 103 and others with 1″ hole

 


Gas Caps

July 13, 2014

updated 2020-03

Contents: 01. Quarter-turn 27mm thin wing
Contents: 02. Quarter-turn 30mm  
Contents: 03. Quarter-turn 30mm thin wing    
Contents: 04. Quarter-turn 40mm   
Contents: 05. Quarter-turn 40mm thin wing
Contents: 06. Quarter-turn 40mm wide wing
Contents: 07. Quarter-turn 40mm external wing
Contents: 08. Push-in xxxx 28mm   
Contents: 09. Push-in xxxx 30mm   
Contents: 10. Push-in xxxx 32mm     
Contents: 11. Push-in xxxx 36mm   
Contents: 12. Push-in xxxx 40mm   
Contents: 13. Screw-on  M30-1.75 external thread  
Contents: 14. Screw-on  M40-1.75, 2.0 external  
Contents: 15. Screw-on  M42-1.50 internal thread
Contents: 16. Screw-on  M50-1.50, 2.0, 2.5 internal 
Contents: 17. Screw-on  “bottle-cap” thread 45mm
Contents: 18. Pop-up (moped)
Contents: 19. Information and Explanation

 

 

 


1. Quarter-turn 27mm

This is a special size gas cap, only found only on some Trac models:

1983-90 Clipper, 1982-86 Eagle, 1984-88 Escot, 1984-89 Liberty, 1986-89 Olympic, and maybe 1988-90 Blitz.

It is part number 21204 or 17620-M56-8900. 

A 30mm quarter turn cap is too big and cannot be made to fit by simple grinding.

1a qtr-turn 27 thin wing $32
Trac Liberty step-thru

Gas tank qtr turn 27mm Trac Liberty

1984-89 Trac Liberty
quarter turn 27mm

Gas tank qtr turn 27mm (35 mm wing to wing) Trac Liberty

1984-89 Trac Liberty
35mm wing to wing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


2. Quarter-turn 30mm

For quarter-turn gas caps, the named size is the inner diameter of the filler neck it fits into. The actual size of the gas cap is a little less than the named size. That’s why a 28mm gas cap on the internet is called 30mm here, or a 38 is called 40 here.  

1. 1/4 turn 32mm chrome bottom view

2a q-turn 30 chrome $10
generic 206401

1. 1/4 turn 32mm chrome top view

qtr-turn 30mm
chrome, top view

1a. Rubber washer 30x50x2

2b Rubber washer $1
30 x 50 x 2mm for
most 30mm qtr-turn

1a. Buna rubber replaces old cork

Rubber replaces cork
on most 30mm gas lids

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2c qtr-turn 30 black $22
Tomos 222145
1985-93 Golden Bullet

54. qtr-turn 30mm Tomos orig on 1980-90 Bullet

2d qtr-turn 30 aluminum
1979-91 Tomos Bullet
(for reference)

3a. qtr-turn 30mm alum original on 1976 Tomos

2e qtr-turn 30 alum. $25
1974-78 Tomos Bullet
(can be polished)

3b. qtr-turn 30mm Tomos L orig on 1980 Bullet R orig on 2000 Sprint

qtr-turn 30mm Tomos
2f from 1980 Bullet $12
2g from 2000 Sprint $22

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Puch Maxi tank qtr-turn 30mm

1978 Puch Maxi
qtr-turn 30mm

Puch Maxi tank push-in 32mm

1976 Puch Maxi tank
push-in 30mm

Garelli Super Sport tank quarter-turn 32mm

1978 Garelli Super Sport tank
quarter-turn 30mm gas cap
(77 and some 78 are screw-on)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2h qtr-turn 30mm $17
chrome locking, 2 keys
Tomos 229530

21. qtr-turn 32mm chrome Garelli

2i qtr-turn 30 new $30
orig on 1978-on Garelli

2j qtr-turn 30mm new $60
Puch chrome with cup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7. qtr-turn 32mm used Puch w/cup

2k qtr-turn 30mm $20-40
chrome Puch used
with oil measuring cup

8. qtr-turn 32mm used alum Puch

2l qtr-turn 30 $15-30 
aluminum Puch used

12. qtr-turn 32mm chrome Puch used

2m qtr-turn 30 $15-30
chrome Puch used

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


3. Quarter-turn 30mm thin wing

Some of these have thinner wings, and some have slightly different wings than “regular”.

48. qtr-turn 30mm Honda NC50 Express has vent on/off

3a qtr-turn 30mm used  N/A
Honda NC50 Express
has vent on/off switch

49. qtr-turn 30mm w/cup Honda PA50 Hobbit

3b qtr-turn 30 thin used $25
Honda PA50 Hobbit
has oil measuring cup

51. qtr-turn 30mm chrome Angel (Taiwan)

3c qtr-turn 30 used $15
Angel (TYM Taiwan)
slightly different wings

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3d left, qtr-turn 30 thin  $18
1970’s Suzuki, no gasket

qtr-turn 30 & 40 thin wing
L is 30mm with no gasket
R is 40 w/leather gasket

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


4. Quarter-turn 40mm

For quarter-turn gas caps, the named size is the inner diameter of the filler neck it fits into. The actual size of the gas cap is a little less than the named size. That’s why these are called 40mm here, but they are called 38mm elsewhere. 

10. qtr-turn 40mm chrome with qtr-turn 32mm

4a left, qtr-turn 40mm chrome $12
generic 632610 (right is 30mm)

4. qtr-turn 40mm black orig on 1987-91 Tomos Golden Bullet TTLX

4b qtr-turn 40mm black $15
Tomos 222785
1987-91 Golden Bullet TTLX

4c qtr-turn 40 used $25
Sears Free Spirit, Murray

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4d qtr-turn 40 used $40
Sears, Murray with cup

6. qtr-turn 40mm black locking

4e qtr-turn 40 black locking  N/A
Tomos 229545
1996-13 Tomos LX top tank

20. qtr-tur 40mm chrome locking

4f qtr-turn locking $17
Tomos 223840
1987-91 Bullet TT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4g qtr-turn 40 $20-$55
Puch Magnum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


5. Quarter turn 40mm thin wing

18a. qtr-turn 30 & 40mm L is 1970's Suzuki 30 R is 1970's Japan 40

5a right, qtr-turn 40 $35
L is 1970′s Suzuki 30
R is 1970′s Japan 40

18a. qtr-turn 30 & 40 thin L is 30 with no gasket R is w/leather gasket

same ones bottom
L is 30 with no gasket
R is 40 w/leather gasket

46. qtr-turn 40mm Trac

5b qtr-turn 40 thin $35
1985-87 Trac Hawk

47. qtr-turn 40mm ?? Trac DH100 top tank?

5c qtr-turn 40 thin $35
1986-88 Trac DH100

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


6. Quarter-turn 40mm wide wing

6a and 7a chrome
are the same on top

6a wide and 7a ext. are
very different on bottom

 

 

 

 

 

 

41. qtr turn 40mm wide wing regular wing at right

6a qtr-turn 40 wide wing $30
wings 46.9 x 12.7mm
regular wing at right

1979 Motobecane Sebring qtr-turn 40mm wide wing

1979 Motobecane Sebring
qtr-turn 40 wide, lid 6a also some Pacer top tanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


7. Quarter turn 40mm external wing

26. qtr-turn 60mm chrome Peugeot TSM

7a qtr-turn 40 external $30
chrome Peugeot TSM

26. qtr-turn 60mm bottom view

qtr-turn 40mm external
view of external wings
Pacer top tank (some)

23. qtr-turn 40 external black locking

7b qtr-turn 40 external $30
black locking for TSM

7c qtr-turn 40 ext.
Peugeot TSM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

41 and 26 look the same on top

6a stainless and 7a chrome
are the same on top

41 and 26 are very different on bottom

6a 40 wide and 7a external
are very different on bottom

1980 Peugeot TSM tank qtr turn 40mm external

1980 Peugeot TSM
q-turn 40 external

Vintage motorcycle tank qtr-turn 40 external wing

Vintage tank
qtr-turn 40 external
takes lid 7a

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


8. Push-in 28mm

The early Vespa Ciao, 1967-68 up to frame #154099, had a light gray plastic 28mm push-in gas cap. Myrons does not have any, not even a photo.

After that it was a 32mm push-in.

 


9. Push-in 30mm

The named size of push-in gas caps is the inner diameter of the filler neck, 30mm. The actual size is smaller, 28 or 29 so it can slide in. But the seal lip or rubber ring is bigger 31mm, so it can get squeezed as it pushes in.

9a push-in $12 30mm generic

32. push-in 30mm Cimatti

9b push-in 30mm $20
pre-’78 Cimatti City Bike
(’78-on was qtr turn)

33. push-in 30mm Peugeot

push-in 30mm, left: 9c Peugeot 103 original N/A
right: replacements plain and Esso $35
These shrink. Adding an o-ring 9d fixes that $2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

29. push-in 30mm early Puch original

9e push-in 30 $30
early Puch original

18. push-in 30mm Hercules/Sachs

9f push-in 30mm  N/A
early Hercules-Sachs P1, M4
later Sachs tanks had qtr-turn

31. push-in 30mm KTM Foxi original

9g push-in 30mm $40
’77-79 KTM Foxi Deluxe

31. KTM caps break easy

KTM caps break easy
9h repaired but fragile $10
9g new kept in plastic bag

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peugeot 103 gas tank push in 30mm gas lid

1978 Peugeot 103 tank
push in 30mm gas lid

1980 Peugeot 102 tank 30mm push-in improv lid

1980 Peugeot 102 tank
30mm push-in improv lid

55. push-in 30mm locking - Avanti

9i push-in 30mm N/A
locking for Avanti

52. push-in 30mm with large teardrop top

9j push-in 30mm $25
with large teardrop top
Gitane Cricket (Testi)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

45. push-in 30mm black Colombia Open Road

9k push-in 30mm $25
Colombia Open Road

45. push-in 30mm Colombia left shrunk, right new

push-in 30 Colombia
left shrunk, right new

9l push-in 30mm $35 Peugeot locking gas cap

1985 General TE tank
30mm push in gas cap

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


10. Push-in 32mm

The push-in gas caps 10a, 10c, 10d, 10f have a thick rubber ring that is made too large, 34-35mm. Right out of the package it is too big to enter a 32mm gas tank filler neck, even with grease and care. The rubber ring must be ground down to reduce the outer diameter to 33mm. This makes the price a few dollars more.

10a 32mm push-in $13
with rubber ring ground
to 33, to fit 32 correctly
(shown with no rubber)
5313-N with dip stick

26. push-in 32mm Derbi shows how some shrink to 30mm

push-in 32mm Derbi
some shrink to 30mm!

26. Derbi 8204140 gas lid left - '76-86 not shrunk right - '86-89 shrunk to 30

Derbi 8204140 gas lid
left 10b ’76-86 not shrunk $35
rt – ’86-89 shrunk to 30

Derbi Variant tank 32mm

1977-89 Derbi Variant
32mm push in lid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It’s amazing how much that Derbi gas cap shrank, from 32 to 30mm. And how the one from the newer model shrank, but the older model one did not. So a badly shrunken one could fit nicely on a Peugeot! Other soft plastic push-in gas caps with lips, not rubber rings, also shrink, like Peugeot. Only those 35 year old NOS ones that have been kept in a sealed plastic bag are not shrunk.

 

30. push-in 32mm Tomos Revival

10c push-in 32mm $25
Tomos 232546
’02-09 Revival, Streetmate
after 09 was qtr-turn 30
includes proper 33 ring

Special rubber washer fits Garelli and Tomos 32mm push in gas caps, with some grinding.

10d Rubber ring (buna-N) 35mm not ground $3
fits Tomos and Garelli 32mm push in gas lids 10e with the outer surface ground down to 33 $9
L to R, no rubber, rubber not cut, rubber cut

 

35. push-in 32mm early Garelli missing the o-ring

10f push-in 32mm $35
early Garelli step-thru
(shown with no o-ring)
includes proper 33 ring

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2005 Tomos Streetmate with 32mm push in lid until

2005 Tomos Streetmate
with 32mm push in lid
until 2010 then qtr-turn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


11. Push-in 36mm

27. push-in 36mm Derbi Laguna

11a push-in 36mm N/A
Derbi Laguna, RD50

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


12. Push-in 40mm

12a push-in 40mm $14
1976-78 Gitane (Testi)

39. push in 40mm 1970's Jawa original

12b push-in 40mm $30
1970-83 Jawa step-thru

General top tank pop-up accepts 40mm push-in

1979 General top tank
accepts 40mm push-in

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


13. Screw-on 30mm

13 a,b,c,d screw-on metal chrome
30×1.75 external thread for Motobecane 40, 50
a used with M logo,   no dip stick  none
new with M logo, with dip stick $29
c new with vent switch, with stick $18
d used with vent switch,  no stick $13

14. screw-in Motobecane chrome locking

13d screw-on chrome
30×1.75 ext thread $38
Motobecane chrome locking with two keys

37. screw-in male Motobecane new white plastic

13e screw-on plastic
30×1.75 ext thread $25
for Motobecane 40,50

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1979 Motobecane 50V screw on male M30 x 2 tank ID is 28.5mm

1979 Motobecane 50V screw on male 30×1.75
tank ID is 28.5mm

Same MB tank cut away

Same MB tank cut away
inside view of fill hole
& center bulkhead wall

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


14. Screw-on 40mm

1978 Vespa Ciao tank screw-on female M40x2 with PVC improv lid

14a screw-on int 40×2
with PVC improv lid

1978 Vespa Ciao tank PVC improv lid open

1978 Ciao tank
PVC improv lid

Close up of PVC lid made from a 1-1/4" PVC threaded cap sliced in half

M40x2 female PVC lid
made from a 1-1/4″
PVC threaded cap
sliced in half

15. screw-on not vented AMF Roadmaster (R eng)

14b screw-on int. 40×2
not vented $15
AMF Roadmaster with McCulloch rear engine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16a. screw-on fem 40x2 L is white PVC improv R is aluminum original

screw-on internal 40×2
L is white PVC improv
R is aluminum original

16a. screw-on fem 40x2 PVC 1-1/4" cap is 38.5 ID fits 40x2 well, by luck!

screw-on internal 40×2
PVC 1-1/4″ cap is 38.5 ID
fits 40×2 well, by luck!

14c screw-on 40×2 internal $32 cnc aluminum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1978 Vespa Bravo tank screw-in female M40x2

1978 Vespa Bravo
screw-on M40x2 internal

1968 Lambretino
screw-on M40x2 internal

37. screw-on M40x1.75 white, for MB Model 7

14e screw-on 40×1.75 external thread $35
white, for MB Model 7

40. screw in male 40x2

14f screw-on M40x2 external $25

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


15. Screw-on 42mm

22. screw-in female 42x1.5 Garelli Super Sport these shrink

15a screw-on 42×1.5 int.  N/A
Garelli Super Sport
early top tank (these shrink)

Garelli Super Sport tank screw-in (female lid) M42 x 1.5 thread

Garelli Super Sport screw-on
internal thread (female) lid
M42 x 1.5 thread

 Early Garelli Super Sport mopeds had this 42mm screw-on gas cap, while later models had 30mm quarter-turn gas caps. The M42x1.5 external threads on the tank measure 41.5mm. The M42x1,5 internal threads on the cap measure 40.5mm. Many of these shrink with age, unless they are kept in a sealed plastic bag. Then the internal diameter decreases from 40.5 to 40.0 or less, and the cap screws on tightly or only partially.

 

 

Garelli Super Sport screw-in (female lid)

Garelli Super Sport

53. screw-on M42x1.5 with vent close switch orig on Italjet Packaway

15b screw-on 42×1.5 internal thread  N/A with vent close switch ’77-79 Italjet Packaway

Concord XKE M42 x 1.5
41.6 mm at thread tops

These gas lids are not shrunk because they were kept in a plastic bag for 40 years. Others that are shrunk are offered at half price. Those were exposed to the air for 40 years.

Almost all moped gas caps are vented. Some have a vent switch. When you transport the bike laying on it’s side, gasoline drips out of the air vent hole in the gas cap. With a vent switch you can close the vent hole during transport or storage, and open it during regular use. 

 

 

 

 


16. Screw-on 50mm

42. screw on female M50x1.5 for Demm Smily and Italian

16a M50-1.5 internal   N/A
“FILL ONCE S.A.E. OIL 30
FOR EACH QT OF GAS”

M50-1.5 int. 48.5 id
for Demm & Wards

Wards Riverside

Demm Smily

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16b M50-2.0 internal   N/A
1980-88 Vespa Si
(bigger than Ciao)

1980-88 Vespa Si

This cap 16b has the 50mm thread tops on the tank, like 16a and 16c, but the pitch is in between those two.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16c M50-2.5 internal  N/A
original on 1965 H.D. M50

1965 Harley Davidson M50 tank (Aermacchi) screw-on fem M50x1.5

1965 Harley Davidson M50 tank (Aermacchi)
M50-2.5 int.thread lid

This cap 16c looks similar to 16a, but threads are coarser. The ridges on top are evenly spaced, but on 16a they are in pairs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


17. Screw-on “bottle-cap” thread 45, 55 mm

1962? Sears Allstate tank screw-on female gas lid very coarse thread

1962? Sears Allstate tank
45mm bottle-cap gas lid

A Blitz gas can lid fits Sears Allstate tank.
A Sears Allstate gas cap fits Blitz gas can.

The 1956-65 Allstate Mo-Ped tank has bottle-cap type threads, not machine-type. The inside of the gas tank neck is 34.4.  The thread diameter is 44.6.  Each thread is 4.0 mm wide.

 

 

The 1961-66 Allstate Compact scooter also has this gas cap, as do most late-50’s and 60’s Puch mopeds and scooters.

1981 Medallion

’80 Columbia Medallion

 

The 1980-81 Columbia Medallion (top tank model) has a molded plastic tank like a gas can. The thread diameter is 54.7 mm (2.16 inch), for a 55 mm bottle-cap type screw-on gas lid.

 

 

 

 


18. Pop-up gas caps

3. pop-up clamp-on

18a pop-up clamp-on
for 45mm OD tank $22
Pacer Sport (Italtelai)
Baretta 22,44 (Piccoli)
Westwind (Spisni Lino)

18b pop-up locking chrome
for General, Lazer top tank
with 2 keys, none available

18b keys 719 and 459 (copy) $7 each

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


19. Information and Explanation

 

More gas caps, not for sale,  for your information:

55. screw-on 40mm coarse for modern ATV

60. screw-on 40mm
very coarse thread
for modern ATV

56. screw-on 50mm very coarse thread for modern ATV

61. screw-on 50mm
very coarse thread
for modern ATV

57. screw-on 50mm very coarse thread for modern ATV

62. screw-on 50mm
very coarse thread
for modern ATV

Modern ATV Gas Caps

Modern ATV Lids

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gas caps come in 4 types. 1. Quarter turn, 2. Push in, 3. Screw on, 4. Pop up. Each type has different sizes.

Quarter turn gas lids on mopeds. L to R, 30, 40, 60mm

30 and 40mm quarter turn “regular wing”, 40mm quarter turn “external wing”. Many other quarter turn wing styles are possible. Two other moped styles are nick named “thin wing” and “wide wing”.

Quarter turn has two “wings” on opposite sides that enter two slots in the gas tank lip. Then when the gas cap is rotated 90 degrees to the right, which is one fourth of a turn, it locks on and seals the outer edge by the spring tension in the wings. The spring has a certain amount of “travel” that allows the lid to work (seal) on a range of gas tank lip thicknesses, or as the rubber or cork gasket gets thin. But sometimes a thicker rubber washer is needed to get the wings to push harder and seal better. In the 30mm size an extra 2mm thick rubber is sold here, but not for 40mm, at this time.

Push in lid gas tanks have a smooth round wall, about as deep as it is wide. The lids are usually black plastic with thin flexible circular ridges that press against the wall. The entrance has a taper for easy operation. In the 1977 USA moped standards, push in gas lids were supposedly required to be quarter turn. Puch, Cimatti, Garelli, and Sachs switched from push-in to quarter-turn but not everyone else did. Again in 2010, quarter turn gas caps are mandated in the USA, this time not for safety reasons, but for environmental ones.

 

Myrons Mopeds Gas Caps, June 2013 Back row: Quarter turn L to R 27,30,40,60mm Front row: Push-in, Screw-on, and Pop-up

Myrons Mopeds Gas Caps, Class of 2013, click to enlarge.
Back row: Quarter turn L to R 27,30,40,40 mm external
Front row: Push-in 30,32,36,40, Screw-on, Misc and Pop-up

Screw on lid gas tanks have threads. The lid must be screwed on one or more full turns clockwise. The threads on the lid can be either female (internal) or male (external). Most modern screw on lids are more like bottle cap threads, more coarse than machine threads. Also the tops and bottoms of the threads have wide plateaus. Some are at right, not listed.

Pop up gas lids are generally on top tank mopeds and modern motorcycles. Turn the key or push the button and the lid pops open.

Vent Hole: All moped gas caps are “vented”. That means they have a tiny pinhole or channel that lets air get in or out. If the pinhole is blocked, after awhile a suction will develop, the gasoline supply will stop, especially with a full tank. They all have a vent design that prevents gasoline from shooting out, like a wall or a maze, but lets air get through. Some gas caps have a vent switch, “on” or open for riding, “off” or closed for transport and storage. All vented gas lids will leak gas if the tank is too full or leaned over too far.

Shrinkage: Unless they have been kept stored in an air tight bag, many of the vintage moped plastic gas caps shrink after 20 or 40 years. The Peugeot and Colombia black plastic push-in 30mm lids become 29 or 28mm. The 32mm late Derbi black plastic push-in lid becomes 30mm. The Garelli 42mm screw-on black plastic lid becomes 41 or 40. When a push in lid shrinks, it gets loose and falls off. One remedy for that is a “leash” made out of a twist tie. Another remedy is a thin rubber o-ring, but it’s hard to find the correct size. With push-in gas caps, the actual diameter will be slightly more, about 0.5 millimeter, than the tank hole inner diameter, to make a light press fit. So a 30mm lid should be 30.5mm wide, a 40 should be 40.5. With screw on male lids there can be shrinkage and the lid will still function, because it does not seal on the loose threads. But when a female (internal thread) screw-on lid gets smaller, it becomes tight and difficult or impossible to screw on.

 


Speedometer Parts

September 10, 2012

updated 2021-09

Table of Contents (speedo families):
 speedo  cable   

  maker  holes    on US models

1. CEV 2.0/2.0  on Cimatti, Vespa (some), others
1.
 CEV-1.8/2.0  on some Italian mopeds
1.  CEV-2.0/1.8  on ’74-02 Tomos 
1.
 CEV-2.7/2.7  on some Italian motorcycles

2. VDO 1.8/1.8  on Puch, ’03-18 Tomos, others
2.  VDO-2.0/1.8  on ’86-89 Derbi Variant Sport

3. Huret 2.7/2.7 on Garelli, Motobecane, others
3.  Huret-2.0/2.0 on some Italian mopeds

4. Veglia 2.7/2.7  on Vespa (some), others
4.  Veglia-2.0/2.0  on Baretta, Malaguti, others

4.  Veglia-Peugeot on Peugeot 102, 103

5. Walker 1.8/1.8 on ’75-86 Derbi Variant

6. Jawa 2.2/2.2 on ’73-83 Jawa 207

7. Tatung on General, Indian, others

8. Nippon Seiki on Honda NC50, PA50

9. Stewart Warner on AMF (some)

10. Service Info

 

Speedometers on vintage mopeds are all mechanical type, not electronic. A driver or sender on the front wheel rotates the cable. The cable, with a spinning wire inside, goes up to the speedometer head. Inside the gauge a spinning magnet moves the needle. An odometer or mileage meter is also driven by the cable, with gears.  

Speedo families are heads, cables and drivers that have certain things in common. The head and driver threads are the same. The head and driver square cable holes are the same. So heads, cables and drivers within the same family all interchange. 

Speedo family name is the maker name plus the head and driver square cable holes.  

Square cable holes are a little bigger than square cable ends. A 2.0mm hole takes a 1.85 to 1.95mm cable, and a 2.75mm hole takes a 2.55 to 2.70mm cable. This is a source of confusion. 

Speedo drivers: On the front wheel is small gear box that changes the wheel rotation into the cable rotation. 

Speedo driver Side means what side of the front wheel would make the driver rotate the cable clockwise, viewed from above. Reversing the side by flipping the front wheel reverses the speedo cable rotation.

Speedo driver Type: Most drivers have the cable exiting below the axle. Most left side drivers are type d because they look like a letter “d”. Most right side ones are type b because they resemble letter “b”. But some type d’s are for right side, and some type b’s are for left. This is because the worm gear teeth can be wound left or right, like a left or right hand thread bolt.

Speedo driver Ratio means how many times the cable rotates for each wheel rotation. Larger diameter tires require higher driver ratios to achieve the same cable rotation. Smaller tires require lower ratios.

 

 


1. CEV

 

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  1.8   2.0   1.75  1.95  CEV-1.8/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.0   1.95  1.95  CEV-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   1.8   1.95  1.75  CEV-2.0/1.8-Tomos
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.75 2.75  2.60  2.60  CEV-2.7/2.7

CEV 2.0/2.0 and CEV-1.8/2.0 speedo families are on US models of Italian mopeds, Baretta (some), 80’s Cosmo (some), Bianchi (some), Gadabout, Italvelo (some), Intramotor Gloria, Malaguti (some), Motobecane Sebring, Motobee, Motomarina, Motron (some), Negrini (some), Rizzato, Safari, Snark (some), Testi (some), Vespa Grande (some), West Wind, Yankee Peddler, and some non-Italian mopeds, Carabela, KTM Foxi.

CEV-2.0/1.8-Tomos speedo family is on US models of Tomos 1974-2002.

CEV-2.7/2.7 speedo family is on some over-50cc Italian scooters and motorcycles. 

 


1a. CEV Speedometers

CEV 60mm speedos, 0 to 40 mph, with 2.0mm cable hole

Speed testing: They are all tested on the same drill, for comparison of speed accuracy. The odometer accuracy never varies – it either works or not. It takes up to 3 minutes at 20mph to click off one mile. Each speedometer is tested for at least 3 minutes, some over 10 minutes all together. Once all of the 17 tested speeds are retested and verified, an average speed can be calculated. First the highest and lowest are ignored. Then the remaining 15 test speeds are added up and the sum is divided by 15 to give 23.8 average. You can see that most of the speedos tested at 23, 24, or 25 mph. The accuracy is an important factor in determining the price. The condition of the glass, face, and needle are also important. 

CEV-2.0/2.0 60mm round speedometers: 15 out of 17 were originally frozen. They have all been cleaned, checked, and lubed, and tested. 

 #  dia. miles price tested
 #  mm miles price speed  error   odometer     glass/face
  2  60 00003 $25  10.0  -13.8   odo works, speedo reads very low
  3  60 00002 $75  22.5    -1.3   odo works, new, perfect glass
  4  60 00009 $25  21.0    -2.8   odo frozen, only speedo works
  5  60 01063 $75  25.0   +1.2   odo works, used, good “glass”
  6  60 00002 $65  25.0   +1.2   odo works, new, tiny scratches
10  48 00002 n/a  23.5    -0.3   odo works, mini type
12  60 00002 $75  23.5    -0.3   odo works, new in original box
13  60 00002 $75  24.0   +0.2   odo works, new in original box
14  60 00001 $55  20.5    -3.3   odo works, new in original box
15  60 05183 $65  25.0   +1.2   odo works, has a small smudge
16  60 00995 $65  25.0   +1.2   odo works, slightly cloudy
17  60 00084 $80  27.0   +3.2   odo works, very good “glass”

 

CEV-Tomos Speedometers

Tomos Speedos on US models 1974 to 2017
Left: 1,2,3,4 CEV-type, Right: 5,6,7,8 VDO-type

Tomos 1974-02 CEV-type 40 mph M11-0.75 threads
# Tomos#   years   models    face   cable   bulb  volt/watt  made by
1. 213233  1974-79  all Rev  dk blu 2.00  9 bayon.  6V 1.2w CEV
2. 214838  1980-87  all Rev  black  2.00  5 wedge  6V 1.2w CEV
3. 222006  1987-91  all Rev  black  2.00  5 wedge 12V 1.2w CEV-Tomos
4. 227496  1992-02  all Rev  black  0.00  5 wedge 12V 1.2w Facomsa
Tomos 2002-17 VDO-type 40 mph M10-1.00 threads
5. 232803  2003-05  all Rev  white  0.00  7 bayon. 12V 1.2w MMB
6. 232803  2009-10  Revival  white  0.00  5 wedge 12V 1.2w F- logo
7. 232803  2005-08  all Rev  white  0.00  7 bayon. 12V 1.2w generic
8. 232803  2008-17  all Rev  white  0.00  7 bayon. 12V 1.2w Alpha

These Tomos speedometers all read in mph. The odometers all read in miles, except #6 which reads in kilometers.

None of these are for sale. They are shown for identification and for reference. For 1, 2, 3, 4 replacements, see 1a. CEV Speedos. For 5, 6, 7, 8 replacements see 2a. VDO Speedos. 

 


1b. CEV Speedo Drivers

Side means what side of the front wheel would make the driver rotate the cable clockwise, viewed from above.

Type: Most drivers have the cable exiting below the axle. So most left side drivers look like a letter “d” and most right side ones look like a letter “b”. But some can be reversed because the worm gear can be wound left or right, like a left or right hand thread bolt.

Ratio means how many times the cable rotates for each wheel rotation. Larger diameter tires require higher driver ratios to achieve the same cable rotation. Smaller tires require lower ratios. The black colored ratios listed below are from the Marini Mobili 1982 (yellow notebook) parts catalog, or from the marking on the driver. The red colored ratios are from direct measurement.

00CEV# price axle ratio mark side/ cable   with grease zerk
00CEV# price axle ratio mark  type   hole depth

007121  none  11   1.8   121
007296  none  11   1.7   296   L d   2.0  00.0 Motron 16″, MMI J103 Sebring 17″
007324 $60.0 11   1.7   324   L d   2.0  03.7 Cimatti 16″ C3540
007337 $55.0 11   1.2   337   R b   2.7  22.0
007341 $58.0 11   0.85 341   R b   2.0  07.5
007373 $55.0 11   1.7   373   R b   2.0  03.7
007402  none  11   1.3   402
007408 68-48 11   1.6   408   L d   1.8  03.7 Tomos 209650
007416 $58.0 12   1.6   416   R b   2.0  03.7
007422  none  10   1.6   422
007428  none  11   1.7   428
007429  none  12   1.8   429
00CEV# price axle ratio mark side/ cable   with grease cap
00part# price axle ratio mark style  hole depth

00000   $55.0 11   1.7 17:10  R b  1.8   03.3 with 3.7 thin lip
00000   $60.0 12   1.7 17:10  R b  1.8   03.3
00408   $55.0 12   1.6 16:10  L d   1.8   03.3 Tomos
58556   $48.0 12   1.7  none   R b  2.7   12.8 ’90’s Aprilia

 


1c. CEV Speedo Cables

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  1.8   2.0   1.75  1.95  CEV-1.8/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.0   1.95  1.95  CEV-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   1.8   1.95  1.75  CEV-2.0/1.8-Tomos

 

CEV# Tomos# conduit   lower end  upper end  price  CEV-1.8/2.0
1100/575
  575 = 22.6″ 1.80-1.90  1.60-1.65  $47.0 low speedo
CEV# Tomos# conduit   lower end  upper end  price  CEV-2.0/2.0
7804/575  575 = 22.6″ 1.75-1.85  1.85-1.95  $42.0 Cimatti C3530
7804/600  600 = 23.6″ 1.75-1.85  1.85-1.95  $47.0 low speedo
7804/650  650 = 25.6″ 1.75-1.85  1.85-1.95  $45.0 original
7804/700  700 = 27.6″ 1.75-1.85  1.85-1.95 none   original
7804/750  750 = 29.5″ 1.75-1.85  1.85-1.95  $49.0 original
7804/800  800 = 31.5″ 1.75-1.85  1.85-1.95  $45.0 original
307253 /0 000 = 00.0″ 1.75-1.85  1.85-1.95 none   Vespa Grande with blinkers
CEV#   Tomos# conduit lower end  upper end  price  CEV-2.0/1.8 Tomos ’74-02
7812/600 213.232 600 1.73-1.77  1.88-1.98  none  ’74-76 low speedo
7812/700 213.729 700 1.73-1.77  1.88-1.98  none  ’77-79 high speedo
7812/750 214.837 750 1.73-1.77  1.88-1.98  $45.0 ’80-91 more bend?
7812/750 227.698 750 1.73-1.77  1.88-1.98  none  ’92-97
7812/750 213.729 750 1.75-1.78  1.83-1.85  $47.0 ’98-02 (’03-on had VDO)
CEV#   Tomos# conduit lower end  upper end  pr9ice  reproductions
MP-05024  ’00-07  750 1.90-1.95  1.67-1.70  none  repro 1a made wrong
MP-05024  ’08-15  750 1.94-1.98  1.70-1.75  none  repro 1b made wrong
MM213729  ’17-on  750 1.70-1.75  1.95-2.00  $26.0 modified repro, wire inverted,
MM213729  ’17-on  750 1.70-1.75  1.95-2.00  $00.0 c-clip under upper conduit lip
TL-213729  ’18-on  750 1.75-1.80  1.88-2.00  $15.0 repro 2 wrong upper thread
TL-213729  ’18-on  750 1.75-1.80  1.88-2.00  none  but wire fits 214.837 perfectly

 

 

 


2. VDO

 

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  1.8   1.8   1.75  1.75  VDO-1.8/1.8
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  2.0   1.8   1.95  1.75  VDO-2.0/1.8

VDO-1.8/1.8 speedo family is on US models of Batavus, Columbia, Hercules, Kreidler, Murray, Odyssey, Puch, Sachs, Sears Free Spirit, Solo, Sparta.

VDO-2.0/1.8 speedo family is on US-model Derbi Variant Sport 1986-89. The speedometer is CEV late-80’s square.

 


2a. VDO Speedometers

VDO 60mm speedos on US model Puch mopeds

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VDO-Tomos Speedometers

Tomos Speedos on US models 1974 to 2017
Left: 1,2,3,4 CEV-type, Right: 5,6,7,8 VDO-type

Tomos 1974-02 CEV-type 40 mph M11-0.75 threads
# Tomos#   years   models    face   cable   bulb  volt/watt  made by
1. 213233  1974-79  all Rev  dk blu 2.00  9 bayon.  6V 1.2w CEV
2. 214838  1980-87  all Rev  black  2.00  5 wedge  6V 1.2w CEV
3. 222006  1987-91  all Rev  black  2.00  5 wedge 12V 1.2w CEV-Tomos
4. 227496  1992-02  all Rev  black  0.00  5 wedge 12V 1.2w Facomsa
Tomos 2002-17 VDO-type 40 mph M10-1.00 threads
5. 232803  2003-05  all Rev  white  0.00  7 bayon. 12V 1.2w MMB
6. 232803  2009-10  Revival  white  0.00  5 wedge 12V 1.2w F- logo
7. 232803  2005-08  all Rev  white  0.00  7 bayon. 12V 1.2w generic
8. 232803  2008-17  all Rev  white  0.00  7 bayon. 12V 1.2w Alpha

These Tomos speedometers all read in mph. The odometers all read in miles, except #6 which reads in kilometers.

 


2b. VDO Speedo Drivers

Type means what side of the bike would make the cable exit below the axle and towards the rear of the bike. This can be told from a distance. Left type looks like a letter “d”. Right type looks like a letter “b”.

Side means what side of the bike would make the cable rotate clockwise, viewed from above. This internal difference is from the direction the helical teeth wind around the worm gear. Other than by markings, this can only be determined by rotating the wheel prongs and observing the cable rotation.

Metal Drivers (made up to 4/1978) Plastic Drivers (made from 4/1978 on)
markings 00/1    price  make   rim side type
21 LH        27/1 none Columbia 17  L   d   open with finger, 1/2″ hole dates 11/77
17 LH      29/54
none Columbia 17  L   d   open with finger, 1/2″ hole, 1.5 ratio
21 LH        6/70 none KTM xxx  17  L   d   open xxx #1009-050-000 dates 11/76
17 LH      29/24 none unknown 17  L   d   open dates 4/80

21 LH        6/61 none unknown 17  L   d   open dates 1/77 2/77
17 LH      31/17 none Hercules  17  L   d   shielded dates 4/78 11/79

01 LV         6/63 none unknown 11  L   b   open with finger, 11 hole  dates 4/77
01 LV       28/18 none unknown 11  L   b   open with finger, 11 hole  dates 11/79

21 RV        23/1 none Puch xxx 17  R   d   shielded dates 5/77  7/77 10/77 4/78 12/78
17 RV        31/5 none Puch xxx 17  R   d   shielded dates 7/78 8/78

21 LH/RH 17/17 none Batavus  16 LR  db open dates 2/77 3/78
16 LH        32/1 none Batavus   16 LR  db open  #42.365 (Regency) dates 4/78

21 LH/RH 17/12 none Batavus  16 LR  db open with finger, 11 hole dates 9/77
16 LH      29/26 none unknown 16  L   d   open with finger, 11 hole dates 6/78

23 LH        23/5 none Sparta     19? L   d   shielded  #06008 dates 11/74 12/76 7/77 4/78

 


2c. VDO Speedo Cables

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  1.8   1.8   1.75  1.75  VDO-1.8/1.8
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  2.0   1.8   1.95  1.75  VDO-2.0/1.8

0 MMI#  000.0000  conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  VDO
MP-0000 000.000  570 = 22.4″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $20.0 silver original
MP-0000 000.000  580 = 22.8″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $28.0 black original

MP-3150 328.153  625 = 24.6″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  22-15Puch Maxi
MP-0000 000.000  640 = 25.2″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $28.0 black original
204.200  321.153  670 = 26.4″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  none  Puch Magnum MkII
MP-3154 367.153  700 = 27.6″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $20.0 Puch Magnum XK, Sears FS red
UN12006 000.000 750 = 29.5″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $20.0
MP-3152 217.664  790 = 31.1″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $22.0 Tomos ’03-on, Sears FS silver
UN12017 000.000  850 = 33.5″ 1.75-1.78  1.75-1.78  $20.0 
0 MMI#  000.0000  conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  VDO-2.0
0A0.165.0021 00  780 = 30.7″ 1.75-1.79  1.90-1.95  $29.0 Derbi Variant Sport ’86-89

 

 

 


3. Huret

 

00 head M   driver   head  driver
thread M thread    hole  hole
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  2.0  2.75  Huret-2.0/2.7

M10-1.00  M10-1.00 2.75 2.75  Huret-2.7/2.7

Huret-2.7/2.7 speedo family is on US models of Arciero, Bianchi (some), Demm (some), Garelli, Gitane, Italvelo (some), Motobecane, Negrini (some), Pacer, Snark (some), Velomec.

Huret-2.0/2.7 speedo family is on some of the above minor brands of mopeds.

 


3a. Huret Speedometers

1. Huret-2.7 Motobecane
2. Huret-2.7 60mm round MMI #H125F for Garelli
3. Huret-2.0 60mm round

 


Good-used Huret-2.7 Motobecane speedos, unfrozen, lubed, and tested.

Long term testing: These were unfroze with acetone and re-lubricated with Tri-Flow. Then they sat on a parts shelf for four years in zip-lock bags. After that long, none had become stuck/frozen.

Huret-2.7 Motobecane speedometers: The cover is glass, so it resists scratching. Repeated exposure to sunlight fades the white background to yellow and the blue numbers to white. When the numbers are faded out the needle is still red, so speed can be estimated, like telling time on a clock with no numbers.

# price  miles   all are working normally unless noted 
$80  1780  excellent condition, works good
$70  5261  dark numbers, works good
$45  2024  barely visible numbers, works good

$40  7365  invisible numbers, works good
$35  5337  completely invisible numbers, works good

 


Good-used Huret-2.7 60 mm speedos, unfrozen, lubed, and tested.

Speed Testing: A hand drill was set to spin at a constant speed (by a stop screw in the trigger). Each speedo was spun for 30-50 seconds. The final speed was recorded.

Huret-2.7 60mm round speedometers: The test speeds all agreed quite well. These have great dampening, no jumping unless noted. The clear cover is glass, not plastic. So it does not get dull or scratched.

# price  miles   all are working normally unless noted 
$60  2291  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$50  1827  test speed 22, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$65  1036  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$25  1535  test speed 21,  jumps around sometimes
$35  2750  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$55  7332  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$70  0538  test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
$45  4720  test speed 20, needle moves nice, not jumpy

 


3b. Huret Speedo drivers

Type means what side of the bike would make the cable exit below the axle and towards the rear of the bike. This can be told from a distance. Left type looks like a letter “d”. Right type looks like a letter “b”.

Side means what side of the bike would make the cable rotate clockwise, viewed from above. This internal difference is from the direction the helical teeth wind around the worm gear. Other than by markings, this can only be determined by rotating the wheel prongs and observing the cable rotation.

more to follow…

 


3c. Huret Speedo cables

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M10-1.00 M10-1.00  2.0   2.75    1.9   2.6   Huret-2.0/2.7
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 2.75  2.75    2.6   2.6   Huret-2.7/2.7

0 part# 000   conduit   lower end  upper end  price  Huret 2.7/2.7
UN12018 00  570 22.4″ 2.56-2.63  2.56-2.63  $19  silver modern replacement
506961.7386 570 22.4″ 2.65-2.72  2.65-2.72 none black orig on Garelli early 70’s
18222 00000 570 22.4″ 2.52-2.55  2.52-2.55  $42  silver orig on Motobecane 50, 40, 7
UN12191 00  575 22.6″ 2.60-2.65  2.60-2.65  $23  black modern replacement
H-126FB 000 575 23.6″ 2.60-2.65  2.60-2.65 none 80’s Taiwan 600 total
506961.7386 620 24.4″ 2.65-2.72  2.65-2.72  
$35  black orig on Garelli (many)
H-126F 0000 625 24.6″ 2.60-2.65  2.60-2.65  $38   80’s Taiwan 650 total
H-126AF 000 695 27.4″ 2.60-2.65  2.60-2.65  $38   80’s Taiwan 720 total
507607.7386 720 28.4″ 2.65-2.72  2.65-2.72  $45  black orig on Garelli (many) 

UN12191 00  810 31.9″ 2.55-2.60  2.55-2.60  $40  black orig on Avanti

0 part# 00   conduit lower end  upper end  price  Huret-2.0/2.7

 

Some 1980’s replacement Huret speedo cables were adaptable for either type of upper end, 2.6 mm for Huret-2.7, or 1.9 mm for Huret-2.0. They came with a black plastic square end adapter that went over the 1.9 cable end to make it 2.6 mm.

 

 


4. Veglia

 

00 head M   driver   head  driver
thread M thread    hole  hole
M11-0.75
  M10-1.00 2.75 2.75  Veglia-2.7/2.7

M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.0   Veglia-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75  M10-1.00  2.0   2.0   Veglia-2.0/2.0-Peugeot recessed

Veglia-2.7/2.7 and Veglia-2.0/2.7 speedo families are on US model mopeds, Baretta (some), Benelli, Concord, 80’s Cosmo (some), Demm (some), Fantic (some), Malaguti (some), Moto Guzzi, Motron (some), Testi (some) and Vespa-Piaggio (some).

Veglia-2.0/2.0-Peugeot speedo family is on Peugeot 102, 103. 

 


4a. Veglia Speedometers

1. Veglia-2.7 60mm #61-47541 for Vespa Grande
2. Veglia-2.7 48mm #61-47282 for Vespa Ciao
3. Veglia-2.0 60mm #61-47531 for Baretta, Malaguti
4. Veglia-2.0 48mm #61-47551 for ?

 

 

 

Veglia-Peugeot Speedometers

Veglia-Peugeot speedometer 60mm #56315

 

 


4b. Veglia Speedo drivers

Type means what side of the bike would make the cable exit below the axle and towards the rear of the bike. This can be told from a distance. Left type looks like a letter “d”. Right type looks like a letter “b”.

Side means what side of the bike would make the cable rotate clockwise, viewed from above. This internal difference is from the direction the helical teeth wind around the worm gear. Other than by markings, this can only be determined by rotating the wheel prongs and observing the cable rotation.

Veglia speedo drivers (conduit screws in directly, no lower cap)
Vespa#  Veglia#   price  hole axle ratio side type   tire    bike
114744  50-1024  $34  2.75  11  19/11  R   d   2.00-17 Ciao. 2.50-16 Si
141303  50-1210  $55  2.75  11  18/1R   d   2.25-16 Bravo
306937  50-1224  $58  2.75  12  19/11  L   b   2.50-17 Grande
000000  50-1026  $34  2.00  11  00/11  L   d  2.25-16 Baretta
000000  50-1222  $40  2.75  12  19/11  R   b   ?

 


4c. Veglia Speedo Cables

00 head M   driver   head driver head driver
thread M thread    hole  hole   end   end
M11-0.75 M00-1.00 2.75 2.75  2.60  2.60  Veglia-2.7/2.7

M11-0.75 M00-1.00  2.0   2.0   1.95  1.95  Veglia-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75 M00-1.00  2.0   2.0   1.95  1.95  Veglia-2.0/2.0-Peugeot recessed 

 

Vespa#  0  conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  Veglia
114745    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   none  Ciao C7N   $16 for 114746 wire only
158135    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   $34.0 C7E, C7V   $16 for 097755 wire
213466    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   none  Ciao P,PX N/A for 213467 wire
162125    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   $34.0 Bravo xxx  $16 for 162126 wire only
307192    000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65  2.55-2.65   $30.0 Grande (no blinkers)
MMI#
  0  conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  Veglia-2.0
1201M      650=25.6″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   $35.0 80’s MMI Malaguti
1201M  0  670=26.4″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   $39.0 Baretta?

1201AM    720=28.3″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   none  80’s MMI
1201BM    790=31.0″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   
none  80’s MMI Negrini KPN?
Peugeot# conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  Veglia-Peugeot
52732  0  590=23.2″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   $24.0 original Peugeot 102, 103
00000  0  590=23.2″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   $00.0 modern replacement
60562  0  725=28.5″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   $00.0 Peugeot 103SP, TSM (longer)
00000  0  725=28.5″ 1.90-1.95  1.90-1.95   $00.0 modern replacement

 

 


5. Walker

 

00 head M   driver   head  driver
thread M thread    hole  hole
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  1.8   1.8   Walker

VDO-Derbi (Walker 60mm) speedometers with Veglia-Derbi drivers are on Derbi mopeds 1974-85.

 


5a. VDO-Derbi Speedometers (Walker)

Derbi speedometers are made by Walker, under license by VDO. 

VDO-Derbi #000.501.6010 on all US models 1976-85

#  miles   price  condition
1   10447  $60.0 new cond test=16.5mph, worked good  flat rim original on TT
2   01953  $70.0 new cond  test=16.0mph, worked good flat rim original on TT
3   05565  $30.0 fair cond  test=16.0mph, worked good
4   03702  $30.0 fair cond  test=17.0mph, worked good
5   01944  none  good cond  test=17.0mph, worked good
6   00038  $80.0 new cond  test=16.5mph, worked good
7   00001  $90.0 new cond  test=17.0mph, worked good
8   00124  none  new cond  test=16.5mph, worked good
9   00933  $55.0 good cond  test=17.5mph, worked good shown with rubber visor ring
10 04376  $35.0 fair cond  test=16.0mph, worked good
11 16748  $15.0 bad needle  test=18.0mph, worked good shown with rubber visor ring
12 00000  $10.0 000.821.6830 rubber visor ring (optional)

 


5b. Veglia-Derbi Speedo drivers

 

 


5c. Derbi Speedo cables

0 MMI#  000.0000  conduit 0  lower end  upper end  price  Derbi
0A0.163.0021 00  780 = 30.7″ 1.75-1.79  1.90-1.95  $47.0 Derbi Variant ’75-86
0A0.164.0021 00  800 = 31.5″ 1.75-1.79  1.90-1.95  none  Derbi C5, RD50 

 

Derbi SL, SLE, TT speedometer cables: Many Derbi speedometer cables have a kink below the speedometer that causes the inner wire to break repeatedly. The kink is from the back of the “pancake” headlight pushing the speedo cable back. There is no easy remedy. As with any speedometer cable, any kink or sudden change in direction will eventually cause the inner cable wire to break there, because as it rotates it is being bent back and forth.    

 

 


6. Jawa

 

00 head M   driver   head  driver
thread M thread    hole  hole
M10-1.00  M10-1.00  2.25  2.25  Jawa

Jawa speedometers are on 1973-83 Jawa 207 (Babetta) mopeds.

6a. Jawa Speedometers

Jawa #14002, 48mm

 

 

6b. Jawa Speedo drivers

 

 

 

6c. Jawa Speedo cables

0 part# 00 conduit 0 lower end  upper end  price  Jawa
07-4780   495=19.5″ 2.05-2.15  2.05-2.15  $18  silver Jawa 207 original

 

 


7. Tatung

 

 

Tatung speedometers are on US models of 1970’s-80’s Taiwan-made mopeds, Clinton, General, Grycner, Jui Li, Indian, others and 1970’s Taiwan-made motorcycles, Indian, and Korean-made Trac.

 

 


8. Nippon Seiki

 

 

Nippon Seiki speedometers are on Honda NC50, PA50 and others.

 

 


9. Stewart Warner

 

 

Stewart Warner speedometers are on AMF mopeds.

 


10. Service Info

Basic troubleshooting: Either the speedometer or odometer can work without the other, but the both need the cable and driver to be working. So if both speed and miles don’t work, it’s usually caused by a broken or slipping cable, and sometimes a broken or slipping driver. If either the speed or miles works, then then both the cable and driver must be good.

Stuck solid (frozen): Old speedometers become frozen where the cable enters. The grease there becomes sticky after many years. That causes the cable to break, or sometimes the driver. That is the main reason why 35 year old mopeds often have broken speedo cables. The other reason is the cable gets kinked.

Unfreezing is done with acetone and a modified allen wrench with a square end. Once the cable square hole can turn, it takes days or weeks and dozens of repeated applications of penetrating oil and rotation on a drill, before all of the stickiness is gone. If any stickiness is left behind, it can re-freeze a year later.