Hercules Speed Versions

December 27, 2020

 

Hercules Mopeds Speed Versions

Sachs 505/1 A,B,D specs
from 1980 Repair Manual

For Hercules mopeds, made from 1975 to 1980, that sold new in the USA, here are the things that determine the speed version: cylinder-and-crankcase, exhaust header pipe, intake pipe, carburetor, air filter cover, and rear sprocket.

Exhaust header 20 OD
20 x 350 exposed outer
20 x 250 inside muffler

Ex. Header 26-24 OD
26 x 400 exposed outer
24 x 200 inside muffler

Exhaust Header 26 OD
26 x 360 exposed outer
26 x 100 inside muffler

 

 

 

 

 

How to tell: The cylinder says “25km” or “45km”. The cylinder head fins are either slanted (A,B) or straight (D). The exhaust front pipe is thick or thin. The carburetor says “85/10…” or 85/12…”. The air filter inlet hole is big or small. The rear sprocket is big or small. Find the model row in the table that has the same sizes and ID numbers, to determine what speed version your Hercules moped is.

This information was not easily available. Sources are all factory manuals, parts, service, and owners.

US-models
sheet frame:
Engine
Power
Cylinder
Version
Intake
ID mm
Bing
Carburetor
Air filter
inlet ID
Ignition
timing
Header
pipe OD
Sprockets
Tires
1977-78 P1
1978-79 Westlake
17mph
504/1B
25km 12.0 85/10/101
#50 jet
13mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
20mm 11 x 50T
2.00 - 17
1975-78 P1
1978-79 Westlake
20mph
504/1B-A
1.5 hp
25km 14.0 85/10/101
#50 jet
13mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
20mm 11 x 50T
2.00 - 17
1977-78 P1
1978-79 Westlake
25mph
504/1A-B
1.5 hp
40km 12.0 85/12/101
#52 jet
16mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
26-24 11 x 38T
2.00 - 17
1977-78 P1
1978-79 Westlake
30mph
504/1A-A
1.8 hp
40km 14.0 85/12/101
#52 jet
16mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
26-24 11 x 38T
2.00 - 17
1979-80 Sundancer
20mph
504/1B
1.0 hp
25km 14.0 85/10/101
#50 jet
13mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
20mm 11 x 50T
2.25 - 17
1979-80 Sundancer
25mph
504/1A
1.5 hp
40km 14.0 85/12/101A
#52 jet
16mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
26-24 11 x 45T
2.25 - 17
1979-80 Sundancer
30mph
504/1D
2.0 hp
14.5 85/12/104A
#58 jet
16mm 1.5-2mm
(19-22°)
26-26 11 x 45T
2.25 - 17
1979-80 Seville
20mph oil injection
504/1B-I
1.0 hp
25km 14.0 85/10/101
#50 jet
13mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
20mm 11 x 50T
2.25 - 17
1979-80 Seville
25mph oil injection
504/1A-I
1.5 hp
40km 14.0 85/12/101A
#52 jet
16mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
26-24 11 x 45T
2.25 - 17
1979-80 Seville
30mph oil injection
504/1D-I
2.0 hp
14.5 85/12/104A
#58 jet
16mm 1.5-2mm
(19-22°)
26mm 11 x 45T
2.25 - 17

tube frame:
1975-77 M4
1978-79 Balboa
20mph
505/1B
1.5 hp
25km 14.0 85/10/101
#50 jet
13mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
20mm 11 x 50T
2.25 - 17
1977-78 M4
1978-79 Balboa
30mph
505/1A
1.8 hp
40km 14.0 85/12/101
#52 jet
16mm 1.5-2mm
(19-22°)
26mm 11 x 40T
2.25 - 17
1979-80 Suburban
1979-80 Prima
20mph
505/1B
1.5 hp
25km 14.0 85/10/101
#50 jet
13mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
20mm 11 x 50T
2.25 - 17
1979-80 Suburban
1979-80 Prima
25mph
505/1A
1.8 hp
40km 14.0 85/12/101A
#52 jet
16mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
26-24 11 x 45T
2.25 - 17
1979-80 Suburban
1979-80 Prima
30mph
505/1D
2.0 hp
14.5 85/12/104A
#58 jet
16mm 1.5-2mm
(19-22°)
26mm 11 x 45T
2.25 - 17
1980-80 Prima G3
20mph
505/1B
25km 14.0 85/10/101
#50 jet
13mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
20mm 11 x 46T
2.50 - 17
1980-80 Prima G3
25mph
505/1A
40km 14.0 85/12/101A
#52 jet
16mm 2.5-3mm
(25-28°)
26-24 11 x 46T
2.50 - 17
1980-80 Prima G3
30mph
505/1D
14.5 85/12/104A
#58 jet
16mm 1.5-2mm
(19-22°)
26mm 11 x 46T
2.50 - 17

 

 


Hercules Models

December 27, 2020

 

The model numbers are confusing. Here is the explanation.

1970-1977 Hercules P1, M1, M2 (sheet frame)

Hercules sheet frame

1973-75 sheet-frame models
Hercules P1, M1, M2

These models all have stamped sheet-metal frames with Sachs 504/1 engines. The pedals are part of the frame. There are two chains, motor and pedal.

70-77 model 0  engine    for sale in
M1-508M 000 504/1B   Germany
M2-504M 000 504/1B   Germany
P1 -505P 000 504/1A    Germany
M1-DK 00000 504/1DK  Denmark
M1-CDN 0000 504/1A   Canada
M2-S 000000 504/1BS  Sweden
M2-N 000000 504/1A    Norway

1970 DKW (Euro model)

M1-NL 00000 504/1NL   Netherlands
P1 -CDN 000  504/1A    Canada
P1 -F 000000 504/1A    France
P1 -505P exp 504/1A    export
P1 -505P J 00 504/1A    Japan
P1 -505P USA 504/1BS   USA
P1 -506M  CH 504/1ACH Switzerland
P1 -505P   GB 504/1A    Great Britian

 

1974 DKW P1 (Euro)

This says in 1975 the US model of Hercules sheet-frame had a 504/1BS engine, 1 hp 20mph. The Canada model had a 504/1A engine 1.8 hp 25-30mph. The two 1976 models shown below agree with that. The 1975-76 USA model was branded “Hercules” but the Canada model was called “Moppet”. 

1976 Hercules P1 (for USA)
Sachs 504/1B engine (20mph)
big sprocket, thin exhaust header

1976 Moppet P1-CDN (Canada)
Sachs 504/1A engine (25-30mph)
small sprocket, thick exhaust header

 

 

 

1976 Hercules M2 (Euro)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


1973-77 Hercules M4, M5, P3, HR2 (tube frame)

Hercules tube frame

1973-75 tube frame models

These models all have tube frames with Sachs 505/1 engines. The pedals are part of the engine. There is one chain.

73-75 model  engine   for sale in
M4-511 000 505/1B   USA and others
M5-634 000 505/2B
P3 -513 000 505/2C
HR2-633 00 505/2B

 

 In 1976 the US DOT adopted new standards for mopeds. US states chose their on speed limits. In 1977 Hercules mopeds were imported to the US in 20mph (25km motor) and 25/30mph (40km motor) versions. The 30mph states sold the 25mph versions.

In the July 1977 book “Complete Book of Mopeds” it says “Just beginning to be brought into the United States, the German made line of mopeds called Hercules uses the well respected Sachs engine. Four models are presently available in the United States.” It goes on to describe the four models, 3 tube-frame-single-chain and 1 sheet-frame-dual-chain. M4 with chrome gas tank. HR2, an M4 with chrome crash bars, high exhaust pipe. An M4 variant economy model, less chrome, and a P1 sheet frame. Those other models are not in any internet images, so they did not sell much, if at all. The majority of 1977 Hercules for sale in the US were M4, in several flavors.

US Models:
1975:  M4 505/1B (20mph), P1 504/1BS (20mph)
1976:  M4 505/1B (20mph), P1 504/1BS (20mph)
1977:  M4 505/1B (20mph), P1 504/1BS (20mph), M4 505/1A (25mph)

1977 Hercules M4 (USA), 505/1A 25mph
note thicker exhaust pipe & smaller rear sprocket

1977 Hercules M4 (USA), 505/1B 20mph
note the thin exhaust header & big sprocket

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1977 Hercules M4

1977 Hercules M5 (Euro model)

 

You can tell a US model moped by the side reflectors and the lights. A Euro model has no side reflectors and the lights are smaller. Here they are side by side.

In 1977 the importer was Sachs Motor Corporation of USA, headquartered at 909 Crocker Rd, Westlake OH 44145, and later at 6401 Regio St, Buena Park CA 90620

 

 

Myron’s Sachs Info Sheets, click to enlarge

 Info Sachs 2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Info Sachs 3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1978 brochure by Sachs Motors Corporation of USA and United Moped, Sachs western distributor

 

This flyer discloses the true identities. The Westlake is a P1 model and the Balboa is a M4 model.

 

1978-79 Sachs Westlake, Balboa

1978 Sachs ad

Sachs Balboa Ad

In 1977 the US models were given American names.

The P-I (P1) with stamped sheet frame was called Westlake, after the town of Westlake Ohio where Sachs USA was headquartered. The engine covers changed from grey to black.

The M-I (M4) with tube frame and separate gas tank was called Balboa, after Balboa Island and Balboa Peninsula, in Newport Beach California. Here is a Sachs Balboa ad showing the historic Balboa Island Ferry that holds three cars and crosses the Newport Harbor channel every five or ten minutes. Myrons Mopeds had several group rides where 30 or 40 mopeds crammed onto that 3-auto ferry. Each bike paid 25¢ for the thrill of floatation. 

1978 Sachs Model List

United Moped was located in Fountain Valley, near Newport Beach. They were also the US distributor for Foxi mopeds, both Sparta made in Holland, and KTM made in Austria.

In December 1978, United Moped sent out this Sachs dealer price list to it’s dealers, who were already selling Foxi mopeds, both Sparta and KTM types. The list shows the official model names. The Westlake (Hercules P1) was either P-I with spoke wheels or P-II with “snowflake” mag wheels. The Balboa (Hercules M4) was either M-I with spoke wheels or M-II with mags. 

 

1978-79 Sachs Westlake P-I (P1)
30mph version with 504/1D engine
 by Sunday Morning Motors

1978-79 Sachs Westlake P-II (P1)
30mph version with 504/1D engine
 by Sunday Morning Motors

 

After 1977 there were three USA speed versions:
30mph  504/1D, 505/1D
25mph  504/1A, 505/1A
20mph  504/1B, 505/1B

 

 

 

 

 

 

1978 Sachs Balboa M-I (M4)
25mph version with 505/1A engine

1978 Sachs Balboa M-II (M4)
30mph version with 505/1D engine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1979-83 Sachs Suburban, 1980 Sachs Sundancer

In 1980 the Westlake was re-named Sundancer. The engine covers remained black. The tail light changed from ULO to CEV. The exhaust changed from black to all chrome. The CEV round chrome switches changed to CEV black plastic.

1980 Sachs Sundancer

1980 Sachs Sundancer

1980 Sachs Sundancer with mags

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1979-80 Sachs Suburban
30mph version with 505/1D engine

1979-80 Sachs Suburban 
25mph version with 505/1A engine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In 1979 the Balboa M-II with mags was re-named Suburban. The tail light changed from ULO to CEV. The engine covers changed from grey to black. The exhaust changed from black to all chrome. The CEV round chrome switches changed to CEV black plastic.

1983 Sachs Suburban US model with 0212-124-045 magneto and 505-1D foot brake

 

 

 

 

1980 Sachs Seville, Prima, Prima G3

1980 Sachs Seville with oil injection

 

1980 Sachs Prima

1980 Sachs Prima G3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After 1980 new requirements for moped manufacturers came into effect. Motor vehicle manufacturers worldwide were required to be registered, and to have a manufacturer code which is the first 3 digits of the new 17-digit Vehicle Identification Number. Many other requirements for noise, safety, and labeling came into effect. Decreasing sales and increasing regulations drove most European moped manufacturers out of the US after 1980. They stockpiled 2 or 3 years worth of 1980 models. Shaun’s dad’s shop Royal Cyclery sold 1980 Sachs Sundancers from 1981 to 1984. The same thing happened for the other makes. They all avoided making 1981, 82, 83 models. Moped shops throughout the USA sold 1980 models mostly, during 1981, 82 and 83.

 

1982 Bombardier-Hercules Eagle I, II, III

Somehow Bombardier, in Canada, had Hercules make the bikes anonymously, for just one year, maybe a single batch. The H logo is still on the gas cap and the headlight brackets. The Eagle owners manual is available online http://projectmopedmanual.info/Manual_HTML/sachs.html but it does not say the actual manufacturer or representative. It only says it was printed in Canada. The blank ID plate shown has both English and French language, so it is Canada compliant at least, and maybe also USA compliant. Many of these bikes were sold in the Great Lakes states Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan. But none or almost none were in California. So Eagles are anonymous and regional. 

1982 Eagle I

1982 Eagle II

1982 Eagle III

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 1980’s: While the last production year for US-model Hercules mopeds was 1980, sales of 1980 models continued into 1981 and beyond. The Motorcyclist Magazine 1981 Buyers Guide https://www.myronsmopeds.com/category/1981-buyers-guide/  lists several “1981” Sachs models: Sundancer $665, Suburban $740, Prima $793, Seville $892, Prima G3 $993 est.

Bike maker Nürnberger Hercules-Werke stopped supplying bikes to the US after 1982. But engine maker Fichtel & Sachs continued to make engines for Columbia (USA), KKM (USA), Sparta (Netherlands), Jui Li (Taiwan), Her Chee (Taiwan). The bike makers had Fichtel & Sachs engine parts and service manuals. The last US-model with an actual Sachs 505/1D engine is a KKM Mopet, 1988 to 1990, made in Ohio USA. So the Sachs engines lasted 8 years longer than the Hercules-Sachs bikes, in the USA.  

The rise in popularity of well-made low-cost 50 or 80cc Japanese scooters like Honda Spree, Elite and Yamaha Razz, Riva plus the increased regulations for drivers licenses, registration, plus the lower price of gasoline, contributed to the last Sachs-Hercules moped shipped from Germany to the USA, in 1982, and the last Sachs moped engine shipped from Germany to USA in 1990.

The 1990’s: Hercules continued making the same sheet-frame and tube-frame type mopeds, for sale in Europe, until 2006.

1990’s Hercules Prima 2S (1-speed automatic)
1990’s Hercules Prima 3S (2-speed hand shift)

1990’s Hercules Prima 5S (2-speed hand shift)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 2000’s: New clean air regulations came out in 2006 for 50cc bikes, in many places worldwide. That caused many 50cc two-stroke engines to be discontinued. A few years before that, in 2002 Handy Bikes in Columbus Ohio, considered importing a model like the 2002 Hercules Prima 5S, but with a 1-speed automatic Sachs 505/1D engine, side reflectors, brake light, and turn signals. It would have been called “Sachs Suburban” just like 1980. But the cost was too much. It would have sold in 2003 for $1800, comparable to a 2003 Tomos for $1050 or $1200.   

 


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December 27, 2020

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History

Hercules mopeds have this H logo on the headlight brackets

Welcome to Hercules mopeds, made in Germany by Nürnberger Hercules-Werke Gmbh, D-8500 Nurnberg Deutschland. Other German-made US-model mopeds are Kreidler, Kynast (Flying Dutchman), Solo (Odyssey).

Hercules mopeds have several brand names. In Europe they are called Hercules or DKW or Zweirad Union, in the USA they are known as Sachs, and in Canada and northern USA they are branded as Eagle. There are likely other brands of Hercules mopeds worldwide.

Hercules-made mopeds all have Sachs engines, made in Germany by Fichtel + Sachs AG, D-8720 Schweinfurt Deutschland. The Sachs brand mopeds, sold in the USA, all had Sachs 504/1 or 505/1 one-speed automatic engines. The Eagle brand all had Sachs 505/1, with the Sachs logos removed to conceal the identity.  

1936 Hercules Liliput with
98cc Fichtel & Sachs engine

Hercules History: In 1886 Carl Marschtz founded a company to build bicycles, and adopted the company name Hercules in 1900. Here is a excerpt condensed from https://herculesmuseum.wordpress.com/hercules-werke-ag-nurnberg-germany/

Hercules made motorcycles since 1903, cyclemotors, mopeds, scooters, and cars. The main focus in the early 1900’s was on motorcycles with small capacity engines. They began to increase to larger machines in the thirties and even saw some competition and long distance endurance success. They made various commercial vehicles between 1905 and 1928. In 1932, when tax reductions made 3-wheeler cars profitable, they made the Hercules Coupe, powered by a 200cc ILO engine. It was only in production for one year.

Hercules and Sachs: The partnership of Hercules and Sachs began as early as 1905, when Ernst Sachs invented the Torpedo brake hub which provided a revolution in bicycle manufacture – and in bicycle sales. Hercules involvement with Sachs led to the development of a very refined moped engine just before WW2. With the declaration of war in 1939, there had been no time to develop this ‘Saxonette’ further. But DKW engineers re-designed it during the war. Their plans were impounded by the British after the war, and led to the arrival of the Cyclemaster, a rear wheel and engine unit for bicycles.

1959 Hercules Prior Sport

After the War, Hercules/Sachs were ideally set up for distribution abroad, and most Sachs engined mopeds used the Hercules name. Interestingly, Great Britain already had a well-established bicycle manufacturing company called Hercules, that was not connected to the German marque. When The British Hercules company introduced their own moped in 1954, they had to change the name from ‘Hercules Grey Wolf’ to ‘Her-cu-Motor.’

In the 1950’s and 60’s Hercules made a variety of beautiful curvy mopeds and scooters. They merged with Zweirad Union after being purchased by ZF Sachs in 1963. In 1974 Hercules became the first company to offer a Wankel-rotary-engined motorcycle for sale to the general public. Here is more http://cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/hercules.htm  and more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(motorcycle)

 

 

 


German Speed Versions: In Germany, there are three kinds of mopeds:German flag

1. Mofas are 25 km/h (16 mph), no licence required, minimum age 15, no passengers.

         “Mofa” is short for motorisertes fahrrad (motorized bicycle).

2. Mopeds are 40 km/h (26 mph),  drivers license required (any class), minimum age 16. 

3. Mokicks are kick-start mopeds with no pedals 

         This is why Sachs 504 and 505 engine cylinders say “40km” or “25km”.

 

 

 

 


Vespa Speed Versions

December 27, 2020

Vespa Speed Versions


Odyssey Models

December 27, 2020

  US Models 

Identification: 2-speed has pulley screws, Regular does not

32/1-R  32kph (20mph), Regular transmission
11 x 53T sprockets, Solo 254 engine, thin exhaust
link   switches   head light  tail light  colors
’76 195 & 8177 ULO xxxxx CEV 9350 orange

’77 8040, 8177 CEV bullet  ULO 250 orange
’78 8040, 8177 CEV bullet  ULO 248 blue
’78 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 248

40/1-R  40kph (25mph), Regular transmission
14 x 53T sprockets, Solo 255 engine
link   switches   head light  tail light  colors
’76 195 & 8177 ULO xxxxx CEV 9350 orange

’77 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 250 red
’78 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 248

40/2-R  47kph (29mph), Regular transmission
15 x 50T sprockets, Solo 255 engine
link   switches   head light  tail light  colors
’76 195 & 8177 ULO xxxxx CEV 9350 orange
’77 8040, 8177 CEV bullet  ULO 250 orange

’78 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 248 black/chrome

32/1-2  32kph (20mph), 2-speed transmission
11 x 53T sprockets, Solo254 engine, thin exhaust
link   switches   head light  tail light  colors
’76 195 & 8177 ULO xxxxx CEV 9350 orange

’77 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 250 yellow
’78 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 248 red/chrome

40/1-2  40kph (25mph), 2-speed transmission
14 x 53T sprockets, Solo 255 engine
link   switches   head light  tail light  colors
’76 195 & 8177 ULO xxxxx CEV 9350 orange

’77 8040, 8177 CEV bullet  ULO 250 green
’77 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 250 orange
’78 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 248 red/chrome

40/2-2  47kph (29mph), 2-speed transmission
15 x 50T sprockets, Solo 255 engine
link   switches   head light  tail light  colors
’76 195 & 8177 ULO xxxxx CEV 9350 orange
’77 8040, 8177 CEV bullet  ULO 250 orange
’77 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 250 orange
’78 343 & 342  ULO xxxxx ULO 248 red/chrome

 

 

1977 Odyssey 32/1-R

1977 Odyssey 32/1-R

Odyssey 32/1-2

1977 Odyssey 32/1-2

1978 Odyssey 32/1-R

1978 Odyssey 32/1-R

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1977 Odyssey 40-1-R

1977 Odyssey 40/1-R

1978 Odyssey 40/1-R

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1977 Odyssey 40/2-R

1977 Odyssey 40/2-2

Odyssey 40-2-R

1978 Odyssey 40-2-R

1978 Odyssey 40/2-2

1978 Odyssey 40/2-2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Derbi Engines and Speed Versions

December 27, 2020

 

1976-85 Derbi moped engines (for sale in the USA) came in three speed versions:
30mph (2.0hp) 12mm xxx no restrictor,  1 – 1mm variator limiting washer (gas mileage 117 mpg)
25mph (1.5hp)  10mm intake restrictor,  1 – 4mm variator limiting washer (gas mileage 130 mpg)
20mph (1.0hp)  10mm intake restrictor,  2 – 4mm variator limiting washers

1985-89 Derbi moped engines (for sale in the USA) came in one speed version:
30mph (2.0hp) 10mm intake restrictor,  1 mm variator limiting washer
43mph actual when de-restricted!

 


Peugeot Speed Versions

December 27, 2020

 

US-model Peugeot mopeds were made in three different speed and power versions to comply with different state laws. For example, mopeds in California go 30mph, but in Nevada or Arizona they go 25mph. Each state has different moped laws. Peugeot moped speed versions are referred to by the speed version codes U1, U2 and U3. The speed version code appears after the model on the I.D. plate, on the frame behind the headlight. For example, a 103 LVS U2 is a 25mph moped with 1.5 horsepower.

U1 is 20 mph and 1.0 hp, U2 is 25 mph and 1.5 hp, U3 is 30 mph and 2.0 hp

76-80 103 L2S U3 carb  jet  intake  reed
 6-80 103 L2S U3  size  size  pipe   valve xx cylinder  cyl. head x exhaust x clutch/variator  gearing x seat  wheels


102 No Variator
79-80 102 SPB U2   10  220  8.5  none xxx xx 102 all same xxx 102 all same  fixed pulley  11 x 50T  long  spoke
79-80 102 SPB U3   12  245   12  none xxx xx 102 all same xxx 102 all same  fixed pulley  11 x 42T  solo  spoke
79-80 102 SPB U3   12  245   12  none xxxxx  102 all same xxx 102 all same  fixed pulley  11 x 42T  long  spoke
103 No Variator
76-77 103 LSS U1  8.5  240  8.5  restricted  restricted  lo-comp  restricted xx  fixed pulley  11 x 48T  solo  spoke
78-83 103 L2S U1  8.5  240  8.5  restricted  restricted  lo-comp  restricted xx  fixed pulley  11 x 48T  solo  spoke
78-80 103 L2S U2   12  245   12  restricted  restricted  lo-comp  long baffle xx fixed pulley  11 x 40T  solo  spoke
78-80 103 L2S U3   12  245   12  restricted  normal xx normalx  long baffle xx fixed pulley  11 x 36T  solo  spoke
103 Variator
76-83 103 LVS U2   12  245   12  restricted  restricted  lo-comp  long baffle xx U2 weightsx 11 x 52T  solo  spoke
78-80 103 SPS U2   12  245   12  restricted  restricted  lo-comp  long baffle xx U2 weightsx 11 x 56T  solo  spoke
79-80 103 SPB U2   12  245   12  restricted  restricted  lo-comp  long baffle xx U2 weightsx 11 x 56T  long  spoke
80-83 103 SPR U2   12  245   12  restricted  restricted  lo-comp  long baffle xx U2 weightsx 11 x 56T  long  mags
76-78 103 LVS U3   12  245   12  normal x.  normal xx normal x short baffle X U3 weightsx 11 x 52T  solo  spoke
78-83 103 LVS U3   12  245   12  normal x.  normal xx normal x long baffle xx U3 weightsx 11 x 52T  solo  spoke
77-78 103 SPS U3   12  245   12  normal x.  normal xx normal x short baffle x U3 weightsx 11 x 52T  solo  spoke
78-80 103 SPS U3   12  245   12  normal x.  normal xx normal x long baffle xx U3 weightsx 11 x 52T  solo  spoke
79-80 103 SPB U3   12  245   12  normal x.  normal xx normal x long baffle xx U3 weightsx 11 x 52T  long  spoke
80-83 103 SPR U3   12  245   12  normal x.  normal xx normal x long baffle xx U3 weightsx 11 x 52T  long  mags
79-80 1oo TSM U3   12  245   12  normal x.  TSM xxxx normal x TSM long xxx U3 weightsx 11 x 56T  long  spoke

 

Cylinder: 102 U2 and U3 are the same, but 103 U1,U2 have a different cylinder than 103 U3, with a slightly smaller exhaust port. A U1,U2 cylinder can be converted to U3 by mild “porting”, by grinding the top pf the port, at the cylinder wall, higher by 1.0 mm, and each side wider by 0.5mm.

Head: The 103 U1,U2 low compression head can be converted to U3 by milling off 1 or maybe 2 mm. Leaving off the head gasket instead, is a quick and beneficial way to increase the compression ratio. But when the head is moved closer to the piston, contact can happen. Care must be taken. A squish clearance of 0.6mm (0.024″) is recommended when cold. A minimum combustion chamber volume of 5.0cc is recommended for a 50cc swept volume, to have a maximum compression ratio of (50+5)/5 equals 11 to 1. 

Reed Valve:  The 103 U1 and U2 small round reed plate holes can be widened to “normal” round holes. Furthermore a Tomos A35 reed valve fits, and gives even more power increase because the reed plate holes are rectangles with more area. Expect a stock healthy 103 LVS U3 to go 4-5 mph faster and accelerate quicker, with just a Tomos reed valve, with no side effects.

Carburetor: To upgrade an 8.5 to a 12mm carburetor you can replace the bare body. It is too difficult to carve out because the non-removable brass spray tube is in the way.

Intake Pipe: To upgrade an 8.5 to a 12mm intake manifold you can carve out the inside, or replace it. On a Peugeot 102 the only difference between a U2 and U3 is the intake manifold.

Exhaust: The 103 U1 muffler is gloss black and has a U-turn in the removable baffle, and a hemispherical end cap. The 103 U2 and U3 muffler is dull black, with a straight tube removable baffle and a vertical channel end cap. The wider end of the vertical channel should face down, or the bike will go slower.

Baffle tube: Early 103 U3 models came with a short baffle tube. These went 35mph and were the fastest moped. Then in 1978 Peugeot had to slow all the bikes down to meet 30mph DOT requirements. They issued a recall to all 103 U3 owners to bring their mopeds into their dealer to have the long baffle put in. All later 103 U3 models were made with long baffles. Simply removing the baffle makes it only a little bit louder, but adds 2-3 mph in speed.

Belt Pulleys: The front pulley is the same on all 102 and 103-no-variator models. The variable front pulley on 103-variator models is the same except for the centrifugal variator weights are different on U2 and U3 models. All 102’s have the same 7 inch rear pulley. All 103’s have the same 8″ rear pulley.

Sprockets: All Peugeot’s have an 11 tooth front sprocket. 102 rear sprockets have smaller center holes than 103 rear sprockets (because the rear hub is smaller). 103 rear sprockets can interchange with Puch or Motobecane, except for the bolt holes. On both 102 and 103 Peugeot uses a special 5-hole pattern that is unique. They did not want people to easily change to a 6-hole Puch 45 tooth rear sprocket. It can be done with drilling.

Gearing: A smaller rear sprocket makes higher gearing, and higher possible speed. But if the gearing is already optimum, then higher gearing alone will not make any more speed, except on downhills and with tail winds. It takes a greater amount of driving force to push through the air at a greater speed, but higher gearing decreases the rear wheel driving force. So the engine has to make much more torque to achieve the higher speed.

Gearing: 102 and 103 no-variator have the same size front pulley, but the rear pulley is bigger on the 103, about 8 inch, while 102 is about 7 inch. So a 102 rear sprocket must be bigger by 8/7 to have the same overall gearing as a 103. That is why 102 rear sprockets are bigger than 103 no-variator ones.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Peugeot Models

December 27, 2020

 

1976-77 Peugeot 103 (US models)

1976 Peugeot 103 LVS red with white trim

1976 Peugeot 103 LVS
fire red with white trim
rouge tison (cinder red)

1976 Peugeot 103 LVS blue with white trim

1976 Peugeot 103 LVS
bright blue with white
bleu radieux (radiant blue)

1977 Peugeot 103 LVS

1977 Peugeot 103 LVS
bright blue with white
bleu radieux (radiant blue)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1977 Peugeot 103 L2 (hard tail), modified engine and handlebars
bright blue with white trim, bleu radieux (radiant blue)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

103 L2 has no rear suspension and no variator, 103 LS has rear suspension, but no variator, 103 LVS has rear suspension and a variator.

 

1977 Peugeot 103 Ad

1977 Cycles Peugeot (USA) flyer

Cycles Peugeot Paint Colors

TS rouge tison (cinder red)
BX bleu radieux (radiant blue)
VK vert kentucky (Kentucky green)
VD vert dore (golden green)
BS bleu sidéral (sidereal blue)
IP ivoire persan (Persian ivory)
CM ciel métalisé (sky metallic)
OM orange métalisé (orange metallic)
AM amande métalisé (almond metallic)
BZ blanc irisé (iridescent white)

Peugeot Colors Chart

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


1978-79 Peugeot 103 (US models)

1978 Peugeot 103 LVS red with white trim

1978 Peugeot 103 LVS
fire red with white trim
rouge tison (cinder red)

1978 Peugeot 103 Ad

1978 Peugeot Ad

1978 Peugeot 103 SP
grass-green and black
vert dore (golden green)

1978 Peugeot 103 SPB
grass-green and black
restored by Jam Mam
vert dore (golden green)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The L models (L2, LS, LVS) are 3 inches lower than the SP (SP, SPB, SPR) models. They have less suspension travel, and less chrome.

 

1979 Peugeot 103 LVS green with white trim

1979 Peugeot 103 LVS
bright green with white trim
vert kentucky (kentucky green)

1979 Peugeot 103 SP aqua blue metallic

1979 Peugeot 103 SP
candy aqua & black trim
bleu sidéral (sidereal blue)

1979 Peugeot 103 SP aqua/black with long seat

1979 Peugeot 103 SPB
aqua/black with long seat
bleu sidéral (sidereal blue)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


1980-83 Peugeot 103 (US models)

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS restored by B. Small

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS
restored by B. Small

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS restored by B. Small

1980 103 LVS, ivory & olive-silver
ivoire persan (persian ivory)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS silver-blue with black

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS
silver-blue with black trim
ciel métalisé (sky metallic)

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS red with black trim

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS
fire red with black trim
rouge tison (cinder red)

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS orange with black trim

1980-83 Peugeot 103 LVS
met. orange with black trim
orange métalisé (o. metallic)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS close-up of engine

1980 Peugeot 103 LVS
silver-blue, black trim
ciel métalisé (sky metallic)

1980 Peugeot 103 SP olive-silver w/black trim

1980 103 SP, olive-silver, black trim
amande métalisé (almond metallic)

1980 Peugeot 103 SPB olive-silver w/black trim

1980 103 SPR, olive-silver & black
amande métalisé (almond metallic)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

103 SP has a solo seat and spoke wheels, 103 SPB has a long seat and spoke wheels, 103 SPR has a long seat and mag wheels. 

 


1980-82 Peugeot 102, TSM (US models)

1980 Peugeot 102 SP

1980 Peugeot 102 SPB
candy aqua & black trim
bleu sidéral (sidereal blue)

1980 Peugeot 102 SP

1980 Peugeot 102 SPB
silver-blue & black trim
ciel métalisé (sky metallic)

1980 Peugeot 102 SP
candy aqua & black trim
bleu sidéral (sidereal blue)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

102 SP has a solo seat, 102 SPB has a long seat. That is the only difference. Neither came with a speedometer.

1980 Peugeot TSM

1980 TSM, top tank tube frame
blanc irisé (iridescent white)

1980 Peugeot TSM, provided by Sunday Morning Motors
blanc irisé (iridescent white)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Non-US Models

Info Peugeot Euro

Info Peugeot Euro

Peugeot Vogue

Peugeot Vogue

 Peugeot Vogue

Peugeot Vogue

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Bing Allstate

December 11, 2020

bing crown Sears Allstate 6.  B I N G    A L L S T A T E     C A R B S

There are 3 Bing 12mm carburetors on Sears Allstate mopeds.

1. 050.1.1500.2/58  ∅12 jet 58, cable choke (1-ended cable)
for M1 engine with intake silencer (air box) Puch MS50

on ’56-58 Mo-Ped 810.94000, 810.94001
on ’63-64 Econo Mo-Ped 810.94011, 810.94018

3. 364.1.15.001.0/62  ∅12 jet 62, cable choke (2-ended cable)
for M3 engine with no intake silencer Puch MS50V

on ’58-61 Mo-Ped 810.94010, 810.94019  
on ’59-61 Mo-Ped 810.94020  
on ’62-63 Mo-Ped 810.94030, 810.94039
on ’64-65 Mo-Ped 810.94040, 810.94049 

6. 360.1.15.500.0/62  ∅12 jet 62, lever choke (no choke cable)
for M6 engine with no intake silencer Puch MS50VDK

on ’64-65 Campus 50 810.94090, 810.94099

 Allstate Bing
136 fig  00.00.000.0/00 price  
100 050.1.1500.2/58 0  none  M1 carb ∅12 jet 58, cable choke

010 364.1.15.001.0/62  none  M3 carb ∅12 jet 62, cable choke
001 360.1.15.500.0/62  none  M6 carb ∅12 jet 62, lever choke

111 01 050.1520 000    $4.00 cable adjuster A1b M5-0.80
111 02 900.2115 000    $0.40 adjuster nut M5-0.80 =050.1517
111 03 050.1519 000    none  top cover outer M18-1.0
111 04 050.1518 000    none  top inner with tube bend M6-0.75
111 05 050.1531 0000  $10.0 throttle spring
111 06 050.1513 0000  $3.00 throttle needle clip
011 6a 350.1.15.014.1  none  throttle disc ∅11 x 0.5
111 07 050.1516 000    none  throttle needle (state 1 or 2 marks)
111 07 050.0516 000    none  throttle needle 31mm 1-mark
111 08 050.1515 000    none  throttle slide (state #)
111 08 050.1515 000    $33.0 throttle slide #16
111 09 050.1555 000    none  choke spring
111 10 050.1552 000    none  choke shoulder screw
011 11 050.1529 000    none  air filter clip
011 12 050.1540.2 00   $22.0 air filter screen
100 14 050.1558 000    none  choke pinch screw

010 15 350.4.15.056.1  none  choke cable nipple
110 16 050.1559 000    none  choke locking plate
110 17 050.1553 000    none  choke slide
100 18 050.1509/58      none  main jet size 58
011 18 050.1509/62      none  main jet size 62
222 19 050.1535 000    $1.30 float top screw M4 x 10 slot
100 20 050.1532 000    none  float top with seat
011 20 364.1.15.032.2  none  float top with seat and tickler
111 21 050.1536 000    none  float chamber gasket
111 22 050.1530 000    none  float needle (no bulb)
111 23 050.1525 000    none  float bulb (no needle)
110 24 050.10.1501 0   none  carburetor body bare
222 25 900.1107 000    $1.00 hex bolt M6 x 25
222 26 24804 000000   $0.20 plain washer M6
111 27 050.1521 0000  $9.00 intake gasket/heat block
111 28 050.1508 000    none  needle jet (state #)  Bing Jawa 14,15
111 29 27071 00000     $1.50 seal washer 10 x 14mm
111 30 050.1523 000    none  screw plug M10-1.0
111 31 050.1511 000    $7.00 idle screw M4-0.7
111 32 24771 00000     $0.40 idle screw nut M4-0.7
100 33 050.1570.0 00   none  intake silencer complete
100 00 050.1574 000    none  spring for air filter
100 00 050.1575 000    $0.80 washer ∅3 ∅6 x 1
200 34 3770 000000     $0.80 washer ∅5 ∅9 x 1
200 35 900.1323 000    $0.80 screw M5 x 40 slot
100 36 050.1576 000    none  seal ring ∅52 ∅45 x 2
100 37 050.1.1577 00   none  junction sleeve
100 38 050.1540.2 00   $22.0 air filter screen

 

 
 
 
Allstate Bing Diagram

Here is a beautiful cut-away illustration from the Danish website veteranknallertklub.dk. The venturi is 12mm diameter. The curved pipe is about 13mm. The jet and jet holder are a single piece, like the Bing “early Sachs”. The choke cable and plate are the same as Bing “Solo”, with a “carb” end on the choke cable. The screw-on top cap is M18x1.0 thread and M6x0.75 cable elbow/stop, Ø14.5 slide with slot facing the intake (like other early Bings), and jet needle, are interchangeable with Bing “Solo” and Bing “Jawa or early Sachs”.

From the left drawing, sliced vertically front to back, you can see the little pin that locates the throttle slide, near where the choke cable comes in at. Like the other early Bings “Solo” and “Jawa”, the slot in the throttle slide faces the intake, so the throttle slides interchange (but not with “1970’s Sachs” and “Kreidler”). 

  
 

Puch used this Bing “Allstate” 12mm carburetor on the MS50 (Moped Stahlblech – steel sheet) series from the 1950’s to the 1970’s. In 1969 Puch indroduced the Maxi moped, with an all new carburetor design. That carburetor, called Bing “Puch” or “round Bing” was in use from 1969 to 1986. It is way more familiar to Americans because of the moped buying frenzy in the late 1970’s. In the early 1980’s Puch developed their advanced technology future moped. But sales were down, and something like internal fraud contributed to Puch going out of business after over a century. If they had kept going, we would have an abundance of parts for the Bing “Austro Daimler” carburetor.

 

Minarelli Cables

November 30, 2020

Minarelli

Minarelli is the name of the engine. Only the lower end of the throttle and start cables are for the engine. The cables upper ends are for whatever controls that are on the bike’s handlebars. The brake cables lower ends are for whatever brakes the bike has. The cable lengths depend on the frame and handlebars.

Cables for mopeds with Minarelli V1 engines, 1970’s Domino controls and Grimeca brakes, are in Cimatti.

Cables for mopeds with Minarelli V1 engines, 1970’s Taiwan controls and brakes, are in General or Lazer.