Here are switches that clamp to the handlebar, separate from the hand controls.

Contents:

1. Generic Clamp-On
2. 50’s-60’s Clamp-On
3. 60’s-70’s Clamp-On
4. 70’s-80’s Clamp-On 

 

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1. Generic Clamp-On Switches

 

1.1 Engine Stop Button – R or L
part#       price    parts list 
609-1451 $10  momentary, press to “kill” engine
(can also be used as a horn button)  
This is a low cost substitute for the original engine stop switch.
Pushing the button grounds the ignition wire, stopping the engine.

 

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1.2 Engine Stop Button – R or L
part#        price    parts list 
TLswitch $10  momentary contact, press to “kill” engine
(can also be used as a horn button) 
Pushing the button grounds the ignition wire, stopping the engine.

 

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1.3 Lights/Horn/Run – L or R side
part#       price    parts list  
8052g    $18   chrome, 2 buttons + 3-way toggle
8052gB  $18   black, same

Can also be turn L-off-R, horn, and engine stop

 

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1.4 Turn Signal Switch – L or R side
part#       price    parts list 
029708  $10   chrome, with wires

 

 

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2. 50’s – 60’s Clamp-On Switches
that do not say what they do

These are shown for information purposes, not for sale.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3. 60’s – 70’s Clamp-On Switches
that do not say what they do

These switches were used worldwide.
They are for any language because they have no words.

 

3.1 CEV 8041 Lights/Horn Switch – left
part#    price    parts list 
8041.1  $38  Switch assembly with set screw connections
8041.c  none Chrome cap, says “CEV Mod. 8041”
8041.m $25  clamp assy new, with original screw and nut
8041.m $15  clamp assy used, with substitute screw and nut

 

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3.2 CEV 8052 Lights/Horn/Run Switch – left
part#     price    parts list 
8052.1  none  chrome, 2-buttons plus 3-way toggle
base says 9432

 

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3.3 CEV 8053 Turn Switch – left side
part#    price    parts list 
8053.1  none  Switch with set screws, says “CEV”

8053.s  $45  substitute made from 8041 & 8040.3
photo left: 8041 switch assy, right: 8040.3 base top
photo 8040.3 bottom view before cutting jumper
photo top: original cap & base, bottom: modified
photo R: orig CEV 8041 cap, L: button cut & glued

 

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3.4 Merit 60’s Rounded chrome – left side
Lights and horn
$19  says “MW Germany” inside, with clamp

Merit 60’s Rounded chrome
All-In-One – left side
$16  Cap only

 

Merit 60’s Rounded chrome
Engine Stop – right side
$16  Cap only  says ON  OFF  OFF

 

 

 

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4. 70’s – 80’s Clamp-On Switches
that say what they do, in English

Mopeds (motorized bicycles) had less strict equipment laws than motorcycles did, and still do. They don’t need to have turn signals, or a permanently-on head light. The US DOT equipment laws dictate what the switches do, what they say and where they go. Engine stop always goes on right, reachable by right thumb. Lights and horn are reachable by left thumb. After 1972 US DOT compliant switches had English words. After the mid-80’s US DOT allowed international icons.

 

 

 

 

 

4.1 CEV 8177 Round Chrome –  Right Side
Engine stop 
8177  Switch with solder connections
8177.5 $55 Switch with set screw connections
8177.cap $13  cap, says ENGINE STOP  OFF RUN
8177.m $25  clamp assy new, with original screw and nut
8177.m $15  clamp assy used, with substitute screw and nut
8177.screw $1.00  wire set screw M2.5 x 4

 

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4.2 CEV 8040 Round Chrome – Left Side
Lights and horn  Piaggio 156645
8040 $27.0 Switch with solder connections
8040.5 $35  Switch with set screw connections
8040.cap $6  cap, says LIGHTS  LO HORN
8040.m $25  clamp assy new, with original screw and nut
8040.m $15  clamp assy used, with substitute screw and nut
8040.screw $1.00  wire set screw M2.5 x 4

 

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4.3 Merit 342 Rounded chrome – Right side
Engine stop
342 $34  replacement switch, Puch 349.1.53.830.0
342.b $19  replacement body only, with handle
342.cap $15  cap, says ENGINE STOP  RUN OFF
342.clamp $4  4-piece clamp with M4x12 screw
Repair broken knob by sticking a red hot small nail straight in.
It freezes in strong. Cover the nail with tape and shrink wrap.

 

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4.4 Merit 343 Rectangular Chrome – Left side
Lights, horn momentary closed, normally open horn button
343 $38  replacement for Puch 349.2.53.817.0 (pre-1977)
343.cap $19  Chrome cap with horn button – see #2 below
343.clamp $4  4-piece clamp with M4x12 screw
When the knob breaks, just leave the lights always on.
On a pre-1977 Puch, with violet and yellow horn wires,
if you remove this switch and unplug the horn the engine will still run.

 

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4.5 Merit 343Z Rounded Chrome – Left side
Lights, horn momentary open, normally closed horn button
343Z  none  replacement for Puch 349.3.53.817.0 (USA late-77 to 86)
343.cap $19  Chrome cap with horn button – see #2 below
343.clamp $4  4-piece clamp with M4x12 screw
If the knob breaks, just leave the lights always on.
On a late-77 to 86 Puch, with brown and blue/black horn wires,
if you remove this switch, and unplug the horn, the engine will not run.
The blue wire with the black stripe is an “external ignition ground” wire.
To bypass this, and make it run, ground the blue/black wire at the engine.

1 HI-LO-OFF  HORN  $19  cap used, like new, tested
2 LO-OFF-LO HORN  $19  cap used, like new, tested
3 ENGINE RUN-OFF  $14  cap used, like new
Inside the cap, the horn button spring gets weak, or the rivet gets rusty.
On most bikes, that just makes the horn weaker, but on a ’77-later Puch,
that causes the horn to stay on all of the time (so does a loose clamp).

 

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4.6 Aprilia Run/Lights/Horn – L side 
part#    price    parts list  
Ap-2.8  none  switch only, 38 mm hole spacing

This Aprilia Long Square Chrome 38mm has the horn rivet on the right. CEV Long Square Chrome 38mm interchanges, but has the rivet on the left.  

 

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4.7 CEV 8166.? “Square Plastic” Turn/Engine Stop Switch – right side
CEV8166.?   $30   used switch only, tested good
says “CEV 195  ENGINE STOP  OFF  RUN, L TURN R”
The electric start button is missing on this version for pedal or kick start bikes. 

 

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4.8 CEV 8166.? “Square Plastic” Turn/Engine Stop/Start Switch – right side
CEV8166.?   none   Switch only, solder connectors
says “CEV 195  ENGINE STOP  OFF  RUN, L TURN R,  START”
For many 1970’s Italian motorcycles with electric start. 

 

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4.9 CEV 8167.2 “Square Plastic” Lights/Hi/Lo/Horn/Flash Switch – left side
8167.2   $65 – $40  Switch only, says “CEV 196 Lights On/Off, Hi/Lo, Flash, Horn”
For Cimatti, KTM, Sparta mopeds original with hi/lo head light.
For Italian made, pre-1973 US motorcycles, and many others.

 

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4.10 CEV 8167.? “Square Plastic” Hi/Lo /Horn /Flash Switch – left side
8167.?    N/A   Switch only, says “CEV 196 Lights Hi/Lo, Flash, Horn”
For Italian made, 1973-later US motorcycles required to have head light always on.
The rails in the switch body, and the steel rollers get cavities from arcing.
They can usually be cleaned and made smooth again.

 

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4.11 CEV 195 and 196 “Square Plastic” Switch Parts
1   blue rocker       n/a  these get melted
2   black rocker     n/a  these get melted worse
3   rocker spring    n/a  12.0 x 3.6 mm
4a roller contact    $3  used
4b roller contact    $7  new   Make this from a piece of drill bit.
5   switch body     $15  new  Replace if rails are badly pitted.
6   hinge pin          $1
7   screw M3x21     $1
8   blue button       $3
9   button spring    n/a  13.5 x 3.9 mm
10 plate contact    n/a
11 black button     n/a
12 cover plate       n/a

 

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4.12 CEV 04726 “Square Plastic” Switch Housing/Mount – left side (or R)
04726  $50-$35  Aluminum switch housing assy
18395      $8   rubber grommet
18453  $0.70   two M6 x 16 allen bolts
18368u   $25   switch body bare, used
18376    $19  switch clamp (breaks when over tightened),
MPclamp  $5  substitute for 18376, clamp for Merit mount 342B and 343B
The substitute clamp holes must be drilled and tapped to M6x1.0, or use smaller bolts.

 

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4.13 CEV 8189 “Clamp-on Plastic” Engine Stop Switch – Right side
8189    $29.0 Switch assy, says “ENGINE STOP   OFF   RUN”
8189u  $15.0 Switch assy used, with the writing faded away
Pclamp $4.00 Chrome clamp
Pscrew $0.60 M4x27 phillips screw
These plastic switches were more durable than older chrome kinds.
Their knob did not break easy. Their clamp did not detach easy.

 

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4.14 CEV 8188 “Clamp-on Plastic” Lights/Horn Switch – Left side
8188    $13.0 Switch assy, says “LIGHTS  OFF  Lo” , 2-position + horn
8188u  $7.00 Switch assy used, with the writing faded away
Pclamp $4.00 Chrome clamp
Pscrew $0.60 M4x27 phillips screw
These  switches have 3mm wide mini male blade connectors.
The wires have female mini blades, like the brake light wires.

 

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4.15 CEV 8190 “Clamp-on Plastic” Hi/Lo/Off/Horn Switch – Left side
8190    none  Switch assy, says “LIGHTS  Hi Lo OFF” , 3-position + horn
Pclamp $4.00 Chrome clamp
Pscrew $0.60 M4x27 phillips screw

 

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4.16 Merit 342A “Square Plastic” Engine Stop Switch – Right side
MP-342A   $26  Right switch, without mount, Puch part 349.2.53.830.0
MP-342A   $10-17  Right switch, good used, without mount

4.17 Magura 342B  Mount for Engine Stop Switch – Right side 
MP-342B   $25  Right mount, good used, without switch, 349.1.54.018.0, without clamp
MP-342B1 $15  Right mount, 3D  printed remake, trimmed and ready to use, without clamp
MP-342B2 $23  Right mount, CNC machined aluminum black anodized, without clamp
MPclamp    $8  L or R clamp used for 342B & 343B, also fits CEV “square plastic”

 

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4.18 Merit 343Az “Square Plastic” Light/Puch-Horn Switch – Left side
(momentary open, normally closed horn button, for Puch only)
MP-343Az $65  Left switch, new, without mount, 349.4.53.817.0
MP-343Az $35-45  good-used

4.19 Magura 343B  Mount for Light/Puch-Horn Switch – Left side 
MP-343B   $25  Left mount, good used, without switch, 349.1.54.818.0
MP-343B1 $15  Left mount, 3D printed remake, trimmed, without clamp, breaks easy if over-tightened
MP-343B2 $23  Left mount, CNC machined aluminum black anodized, without clamp
MPclamp    $4  L or R clamp used for 342B & 343B, also fits CEV “square plastic”

These clamp-on switches are almost the integrated type, because the switch hangs over part of the control. Magura made the switch base and Merit made the switch, both in 1970’s Germany. The switch bases broke easily, and so the supply ran out early on. They were on US-model mopeds: deluxe Puch models 1978-86, and deluxe Kreidler MP-19. 

 

 

 

 

Contents: 
1. Identification
2. Parts Catalogs and Service Manuals
3. Engine Parts Comparison

 

The purpose here is to learn about Cady models, their parts differences, and then to specify or offer replacement parts. 

 

 

1. Identification

Cady Engines

Most Motobecane moped engines have the pulley-clutch on the left and the magneto-generator on the right. But Motobecane Cady and Moby X have Isodyne (same side) engines have both clutch and magneto on the left.

1.  ’66-74 19641 Isodyne M1 motor has rounded head fins,
no bulge on right case (no right bearing).

2. ’74-78 20108 Isodyne M1 motor has angled head fins,
no bulge on right case (no right bearing).

3. ’74-78 22200 Super Isodyne M3 has angled head fins,
with bulge on right case for right bearing.

4. ’75-78 22329 Super Isodyne M3 has angled head fins,
with a bearing greaser on the right case.

 

Look for the buldge

Mid-70’s Cady M1PRTS yellow and M3PRTS blue are identical.
The only visible difference is the bulge in the M3 right engine case.
Only a right side view shows this.

 

Look for the light

The headlight style and color can narrow down the identity.

 

 

 

 

Models with Isodyne Engine M1 #19641

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M1  1966-68
2.00-19 tires (23 x 2.00)
no suspension
red metallic, 33 km/h = 20.5 mph
AR1-10-674 carb, 19134 19124 controls
33 km/h = 20.5 mph

M1  1968-74
2.00-19 tires (23 x 2.00)
no suspension
red metallic
S10-693 carb, 20069 19725 controls

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M1 P demontable 1966-68  
2.00-16 tires (20 x 2.00)
no suspension, headlight on fender
red metallic  with S10-693 carb

M1 P demontable 1968-74
2.00-16 tires (20 x 2.00)
no suspension, headlight on fender
red metallic, red, blue, white, topaz
AR1-10-691 carb, 20069 19694 controls

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M1 PR 1967-74
2.00-16 tires (20 x 2.00)
no suspension  (PR means 16″ rims)
red, blue, white, topaz
AR1-10-691 carb, 20069 19725 controls
20069 20008 controls after 4/68
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M1 PRT 1968-74
2.00-16 tires (20 x 2.00)
Telescopic fork
red, blue, white, topaz
AR1-10-691 carb, 20069 20008 controls
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M1 PRTS 1970-74
2.00-16 tires (20 x 2.00)
Telescopic fork, rear Suspension
red, blue, white, topaz
AR1-10-691 carb, 20069 20008 controls
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Models with Isodyne Engine M1 #20108

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M1  1974-77
2.00-19 tires
no suspension
metallic red, metallic brown
AR1-10-691 carb, 21675 20957 controls

 

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M1 PR  1974-77
2.25-16 tires (PR means 16″ rims)
no suspension
red, white 
AR1-10-691 carb, 21675 21284 controls
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Cady PR  1974-77
2.00-16 tires PR
no suspension
red, white with AR1-10-691 carb
sold in Canada by Canadian Tire
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M1 PRTS 1974-78
2.00-16 tires PR
Telescopic fork, rear Suspension
red, blue, white, yellow
AR1-10-691 carb, 21675 21284 controls
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Cady PRTS 1974-78
2.00-16 tires PR
Telescopic fork, rear Suspension
red, blue, white, yellow
AR1-10-691 carb, 21675 21284 controls
sold in Canada by Canadian Tire

 

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M3: 1976-77
2.00-19 tires
no suspension
metallic brown
this has an M1 engine, not M3

 

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M3T: 1976-77
2.00-19 tires
Telescopic fork
metallic brown
this has an M1 engine, not M3

 

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Models with Super Isodyne Engine M3

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M3 PR  1974-77
2.00-16 tires PR
no suspension
sandy white, green
AR1-11.5-753 carb, 21675 21284 controls
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M3 PRT  1974-77
2.00-16 tires PR
Telescopic fork
yellow, sandy white, green
AR1-11.5-753 carb, 21675 20957 controls

 

 

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Moby (M3 PRT)  1974-77
2.00-16 tires PR
Telescopic fork
blue, other colors
AR1-11.5-753 carb, 21675 21284 controls
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M3 PRTS  1974-77
2.00-16 tires PR
Telescopic fork, rear Suspension
yellow, sandy white, green, met blue
AR1-11.5-753 carb, 21675 21284 controls
sold in Canada by Canadian Tire
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M3 PRTSG: 1975-77
2.00-16 tires PR
separately Greased
Telescopic fork, rear Suspension
yellow, sandy white, green, met blue
AR1-11.5-753 carb, 21675 21284 controls

 

 

 

 

 

2. Parts Catalogs and Service Manuals

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The Motobecane Club de France has free pdf downloads of all Motobecane manuals. Here are their five Cady Parts Manuals and models covered. Insert sheets in gray text. Model colors are colored diamonds.

 

https://motobecane-club-de-france.fr/document/telechargement/mpr-cady-m1.pdf   
Nov 1966  2.00-19 tires ♦M1
Sep 1966  clutch and magneto service
Sep 1966  early M1 engine bottom-end versions
Jun 1967  front brake and fork changes
Nov 1966  crankshaft service
Nov 1966  bearing and seal info

https://motobecane-club-de-france.fr/document/telechargement/mpr-Cady.pdf 
Nov 1968  2.00-19 tires ♦M1
Nov 1968  2.00-16 tires ♦M1P, ♦◊♦♦M1PR, ♦◊♦♦M1PRT

https://motobecane-club-de-france.fr/document/telechargement/mpr-Cadym1-m1prts.pdf 
Nov 1968  2.00-19 tires ♦M1
Nov 1968  2.00-16 tires ♦M1P, ♦◊♦♦M1PR, ♦◊♦♦M1PRT, ♦◊♦♦M1PRTS
Nov 1969  (missing M1PRTS addition)
Mar 1970  points cam change

https://motobecane-club-de-france.fr/document/telechargement/mpr-cady-m1pr.pdf 
Feb 1975  2.00-19 tires ♦M1
Feb 1975  2.00-16 tires ♦◊♦♦M1PR, ♦◊♦♦M1PRT, ♦◊♦♦M1PRTS

https://motobecane-club-de-france.fr/document/telechargement/mpr-cady-m3.pdf
Apr 1976  2.25-16 tires ♦◊M3PR, ♦◊♦M3PRT, ♦◊♦M3PRTS, ♦◊♦M3PRTSG
Mar 1974  2.25-16 tires ♦M3PRT, ♦M3PRTS yellow (jaunte) parts addition
Jun  1976  2.25-16 tires ♦M3 metallic brown, M1 engine
Jun  1976  2.00-19 tires ♦M3T metallic brown, M1 engine

 

Cady Timeline

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1966-67 ♦M1

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1967-68 ♦M1, ♦M1P

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1968-70 ♦M1, ♦M1P, ♦◊♦♦M1PR, ♦◊♦♦M1PRT

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1970-74 ♦M1, ♦M1P, ♦◊♦♦M1PR, ♦◊♦♦M1PRT, ♦◊♦♦M1PRTS

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1974-76 ♦M1, ♦M1P, ♦◊♦♦M1PR, ♦◊♦♦M1PRT, ♦◊♦♦M1PRTS
1974-76 ♦M1, ♦M1P, ♦◊♦◊M3PR, ♦◊♦♦M3PRT, ♦◊♦♦M3PRTS

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1976-78 ♦M3, ♦M3T, ♦◊♦◊M3PR,   ♦◊♦M3PRT,  ♦◊♦M3PRTS, ♦◊♦M3PRTSG

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3. Engine Parts Comparison

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The purpose is to provide replacement parts for Cady, by knowing which parts are the same as on US models. Cady’s were sold in Canada, but not in the US.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here ’66-77 Motobecane Cady engine parts are compared with other US-model Motobecane mopeds, ’57-64 Wards Riverside and ’74-80 Motobecane 50V.

 

Piston rings: In June 1976 Motobecane piston rings changed on all models. Before 6/76 the the 14821 ring gap style was GN (grano normal) where the piston ring stop pin was on one side of the ring groove. After 6/76 the 22148 ring gap style was GI (grano interno) where the piston ring pin was in the center of the ring groove. 

 

Piston: Pistons for Isodyne engines (on Cady and Moby X) are special. They have a 11 mm wrist pin, unlike most other 50cc pistons, and a total height of 47.5mm. The cylinder bore is 39mm. More precisely,, the bore ranges from 38.98 to 39.04 mm in seven tiny increments of 0.01 mm, called sorts. Cylinders and pistons are stamped with a letter. The replacement piston should be the same sort as the cylinder (unless the cylinder is worn).

After July 1976 Motobecane stopped making pistons with side-pins. From then on they made only ones with center-pins. The seven sorts of pre-6/76 replacement pistons remaining in the late 1970’s were sold until each size ran out. Then only center-pin replacements 22481-22487 were supplied when an older part number 19185-19103 was requested.  

 

 

Colors: light grey means superseded, blue means same as AV7 Vc

 

——- Wards Riverside ——–   Cady   Cady   Cady    Motobecane USA 
AV7 V  AV7Dbe  —-AV7 V2—- isodyne sup-iso sup-iso AV7 Vb  —-AV7 Vc—- < engine model
1.5 hp  1.5 hp  1.5 hp  2.0 hp  1.5 hp  1.5 hp  2.0 hp  2.0 hp 1.5 hp 2.0 hp < horsepower
’57-59  ’61-62   1960   ’60-64  ’66-70 ’74-77 ’75-77   ’74-75 ’76-77 ’76-77 < year range
14007A 14030 14010A 14010C C1,M1    M3   PRTSG    50V    50V    50V    < bike model     

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50165  ??????  50294  50298  19093  22200  22329  53745 52341 53745  engine complete
10165  ??????  50294  50298  3 #’s    22201  22313  53745 52341 53745  engine lower assy
14791  14791  14791  16625  19252  22227  22227  19885 19885 19885  cylinder head
14854  14854  14854  14854  19098  19098  19098  14854 14854 14854  head gasket
14816  16618  16618  16618  19081  22202  22202  19478 23460 23460  cylinder with piston
14816  16618  16618  16618  22480  22480  22480  23460 23460 23460  replaced with
14407  16673  16673  16619  19099  22235  00000  16619 16673 16619  intake pipe Ø16
14407  16673  16673  16619  19099  22235  00000  16619 16673 16619  intake pipe Ø17
14407  16673  16673  16619  19099  22235  22235  16619 16673 16619  intake pipe
14815  16620  16620  16620  19100  19100  19100  17073 17073 17073  intake gasket
14819  14819  14819  14819  00000  00000  00000  21240 22275 22275  piston A for 38.97 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  19103c 19185  19185  21242 22276 22276  piston B or C 38.98 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  19103e 19186  19186  21244 22277 22277  piston D or E for 38.99 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  19103g 19187  19187  21246 22278 22278  piston F or G for 39.00 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  19103 j 19188  19188  21248 22279 22279  piston H or J for 39.01 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  19103 l 19189  19189  21250 22280 22280  piston K or L for 39.02 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  19103n 19190  19190  21252 22281 22281  piston M or N for 39.03 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  19103p 19103  19103  21254 22435 22435  piston Q or P for 39.04 cylinder
above is pre-June’76 piston rings, GN gap style (side-pin), below is June’76-on, GI gap style (center-pin)
14819  14819  14819  14819  00000  00000  00000  22275 22275 22275  piston A for 38.97 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  22481  22481  22481  22276 22276 22276  piston B or C for 38.98 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  22482  22482  22482  22277 22277 22277  piston D or E for 38.99 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  22483  22483  22483  22278 22278 22278  piston F or G for 39.00 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  22484  22484  22484  22279 22279 22279  piston H or J for 39.01 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  22485  22485  22485  22280 22280 22280  piston K or L for 39.02 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  22486  22486  22486  22281 22281 22281  piston M or N for 39.03 cylinder
14819  14819  14819  14819  22487  22487  22487  22435 22435 22435  piston Q or P for 39.04 cylinder
14821  14821  14821  14821  14821  14821  14821  14821 14821 14821  piston ring pre-6/’76 39×2 GN
00000  00000  00000  00000  00000  00000  00000  22148 22148 22148  piston ring 6/’76-on 39×2 GI
14895  14895  14895  14895  19097  19097  19097  14895 14895 14895  base gasket
14716  14716  14716  14716  00000  00000  00000  14716 14716 14716  cylinder stud M7-1.00 x 129
14716  14716  14716  14716  19102  19102  19102  14716 14716 14716  cylinder bolt M6-1.00 x 25
14721  14721  14721  14721  19096  19975  19975  14721 14721 14721  decomp valve assembly
15094  15094  15094  15094  19169  00000  00000  15094 15094 15094  piston pin       13 x 30
15094  15094  15094  15094  19169  19169  19169  15094 15094 15094  piston pin       11 x 30
15855  15855  15855  15855  19084  19084  19084  15855 15855 15855  piston bearing 13-16 x 14
15855  15855  15855  15855  19084  19084  19084  15855 15855 15855  piston bearing 11-14 x 14
50230  16903  16903  16903  00000  00000  00000  19609 19609 19609  crankshaft
00518  16906  16906  16906  19175  19645  19645  16906 16906 16906  bearing L 15-42×13 #6302
00518  16906  16906  16906  19175  00000  00000  16906 16906 16906  bearing L 16-42×13 #6302-QR
00518  16906  16906  16906  19175  19645  19645  16906 16906 16906  bearing L 15-42×19 #5302 dbl
00518  16906  16906  16906  19175  19645  19645  16906 16906 16906  bearing L 17-47×14 #6303
00518  16906  16906  16906  19175  00000  00026  16906 16906 16906  bearing R 15-35×11 #6202
00518  16906  16906  16906  19175  00000  00000  16906 16906 16906  bearing R 16-42×13 #6302-QR
00060  00060  00060  00060  00000  000  0000000  19089 19089 19089  crank seal
14814  14814  14814  14814  00000  00000  00000  19608 19608 19608  crankcase
14896  14896  14896  16910  19088  19088  00000  16910 16910 16910  case gasket

 

 

 

1977 Cady magneto

 

 

 

 

ULO made tail lights, reflectors, and turn signals for German mopeds, Hercules (Sachs), Kreidler, Solo, Kynast, and tail lights for many non-German mopeds, Batavus, Sparta, Puch, Peugeot, Motobecane and Honda PA50. 

ULO was founded by Moritz Ullman in 1947 in Geislingen Germany. Ullman knew how to make molded glass products, like bicycle reflectors. Today ULO is worldwide, making tail lights for cars like BMW and Audi.

250 and 248: There are two versions of 1970’s -80’s moped tail lights, 250 and 248. The black housing says the number on the inside. The 250 came first in about 1972 to 1978. The 248 replaced the 250 in about 1978 to 1984. 

Dates: ULO plastic parts have a date mark. The lens has the compliance standards and those have a start date.

Identification

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1975 ULO 250-1   lens 250-0015
bulb 6V 18/5w brake/tail
USA ’75-80 Motobecane 40 and ’75-77 50, 50V

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1977 ULO 250-2   lens 248-0015
upper bulb 6V 10w brake, lower bulb 6V 5w tail
USA ’75-78 Batavus, Columbia, Hercules, Kreidler,
Kynast, Puch, Sparta, Solo, ’78-80 Honda PA50

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1978 ULO 248-1   lens 248-0015
bulb 6V 18/5w brake/tail
USA ’78-80 Motobecane 50, 50V

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1978 ULO 248-2   lens 248-0015
upper bulb 6V 10w brake, lower bulb 6V 5w tail
USA ’78-83 Peugeot 103SP, Columbia, Solo, Sparta

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1978 ULO 248-3   lens 248-0015
upper bulb 6V 10w brake, lower bulb 6V 5W tail
ignition ground resistor in parallel with brake
USA ’78-82 Batavus 

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Rep 250 replica, bulbs 12V 10w and 12V 5w
has no upper mount hole, loose bulb sockets
does not allow original wires under fender

The housing has no upper mount hole, so a 6mm (15/64″) hole must be drilled. The housing and lens screw hole tubes are 2mm higher and 1mm farther apart. So the lens does not directly fit an original ULO 250 housing. The bulb holder-mirror is different, a metal plate with plastic bulb sockets that are loose. The looseness might cause bulb burnout from vibration. The bulb sockets have 3mm male blade connectors, instead of 8mm male blades like the originals. So the original wires with 8mm female blade connectors will not fit. 

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Rep 250-w replica, bulbs 6V 10w and 6V 5w
modified to accept original wires

Made from: 1) Rep-hous with the upper mount hole drilled, M5 or M6 mount bolt added, wires hole widened to 9 mm, 2) Rep-mirr with 8mm blade connectors soldered on, 3) Rep-lens, 4) Rep-ST44 screws.

Benefits: 1) allows the original wires to be reused, 2) the wire connectors are protected inside the light, unlike a plain Rep 250 where they are under the fender, 3) replaces ULO 250-2. Can also replace CEV lights without ignition ground resistors, with fender drilling.

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Rep 250m1 replica, bulb 6V 21/5w (or 12V)
modified with ULO 1-bulb holder

Made from: 1) Rep-hous with the upper mount hole drilled, M5 or M6 mount bolt added, lens screw posts reduced in height, wires hole widened to 9 mm, 2) 250-0016 with the top cut down by 2 mm and the screw holes moved 1 mm farther apart by grinding off the outer edge, 3) Rep-lens, 4) 250-ST55 55 mm screws shortened to 50 mm.

Benefits: 1) solid bulb sockets for less bulb burn out, 2) uses the same original wires, no soldering, 3) replaces ULO 250-1. Can also replace CEV lights with ignition ground resistors, with fender drilling.

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Rep 250m2 replica, bulbs 6V 10W and 6V 5W (or 12V)
modified with ULO 2-bulb holder

Made from: 1) Rep-hous with the upper mount hole drilled, M5 or M6 mount bolt added, the lens screw posts reduced in height, the wires hole widened to 9 mm, 2) 248-0016 with the top cut down by 2 mm and the screw holes moved 1 mm farther apart by grinding off the outer edge, 3) Rep-lens, 4) 250-ST55 55 mm screws shortened to 50 mm.

Benefits: 1) solid bulb sockets for less bulb burn out, 2) uses the same original wires, no soldering, 3) replaces ULO 250-2. Can also replace CEV lights without ignition ground resistors, with fender drilling.

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Lights for Sale

Originals
60a ULO 250-1  $73 used, 6V 21/5w bulb (or 12V)
60a ULO 250-2  N/A used, 6V 10w, 6V 5w (or 12V)
60b ULO 248-1  $65 used, 6V 21/5w bulb (or 12V)
60b ULO 248-2  N/A used, 6V 10w, 6V 5w (or 12V)
60b ULO 248-3  $80 used, 6V 10w, 6V 5w with ignition resistor

Replicas
60a Rep 250 -0  $25 12V 10w, 12V 5w, sold as is
60a Rep 250-w  $42 6V 10w, 6V 5w bulbs (or 12V)
60a Rep 250m1 $48 6V 21/5w single bulb (or 12V)
60a Rep 250m2 $55 6V 10w, 6V 5w bulbs (or 12V)

Parts for Sale

61a 250-6017 none  ULO250 housing used
61a 250-hous $30.0 Rep250 housing modified
61a 250-hous $00.0 lens screws must be 5mm shorter
61r  Rep-hous $15.0 Rep250 housing (not modified)
61b 248-6017 $20.0 ULO248 housing used broken

62x 250-pum  $0.50 Puch upper bolt M5x32
62a 250-upm  $0.50 250 upper bolt M6x32
62b 248-upm  $0.50 248 upper bolt M6x25

63a 250-ST55 $1.00 250 lens screw self-threading x 55
63a 250-ST50 $2.00 shortened screw self-threading x 50
63b 248-m445 $0.70 248 lens screw M4 x 45
63r  Rep-ST44 $1.00 Rep 250 lens screw self-threading 3.95 x 44

64x 248-0015 $30.0 new original lens ’76-84 holes 89 mm
64x 250-lens  $23.0 replica lens modified, requires modified housing
64a 250-0015 $35.0 used original lens ’72-75 holes 89 mm
64r  Rep-lens  $16.0 replica lens unmodified, holes 90, 2 mm higher

65x 250-gask $7.00 ULO 250 lens gasket
65x 250-gask $0.00 not for ULO 248 or Rep 250

66x 250-ge63 $2.00 6V 5w lower bulb GE 63
66   250-ge67 $1.50 12V 5w lower bulb GE 67

67x 250-ge81 $2.00 6V 10w upper bulb GE 81
67   250-ge89 $1.50 12V 10w upper bulb GE 89
67a 248-1154 $2.00 6V 21/5w dual bulb GE 1154
67a 248-1157 $1.20 12V 21/5w dual bulb GE 1157

68x 250-lomb $0.50 “Puch” lower bolt M5x16
68a 248-lomb $0.80 non-Puch lower bolt M6x16
68c 248-lwas  $0.20 non-Puch lower mnt washer M6

69x 250-csh1 $9.00 cushion foam (only on some)
69a 250-csh2 $9.00 cushion thick (only on some)
69b 250-csh3 $9.00 cushion thin (only on some)

70x 250-locw  $0.20 “Puch” mount lock washer M5
70a 248-locw  $0.20 non-Puch mnt lock washer M6

71x 250-mnut $0.25 “Puch” mount hex nut M5
71a 248-mnut $0.25 non-Puch mount hex nut M6

72x 248-grom $1.00 grommet for 2-bulb mirror

73x 248-0016 $25.0 used 2-bulb holder-mirror
73x 248-mirr  $32.0 used 2-bulb holder modified
73a 250-0016 $13.0 1-bulb holder-mirror
73a 250-mirr  $20.0 1-bulb holder modified
73r  Rep-mirr  $10.0 Rep 250 bulb holder-mirror

The little rubber grommets #72 for the two-bulb holder-mirror, are important. When one is missing, the bulb holder is loose. Engine vibration causes the loose holder to “buzz” or vibrate and rub against the lens and housing. The buzzing causes the bulbs to burn out, and produces white powder. The white plastic dust or powder is evidence of “buzzing”.  Slices of small rubber hose can be good substitutes.

 

 

 

 

 

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4. Peterson Tail Lights

Peterson tail lights, made in Grandview, Missouri USA, were on ’76-80 Jawa and ’76-77 Derbi mopeds.

Peterson PM-420 1960’s – 70’s trailer tail light
used on 1976-77 Jawa Babetta (USA models)

–   3296-061  N/A  Tail Lamp PM420
1   3296-061  N/A  Lamp housing
2    3296-061 N/A Lens used PM420-15
3  34544-001 50¢ Lens screw ST (2)
4      34213 $1.00 Nut 3/8-24 fine
5      34213    50¢ Lock washer 3/8″
6      60507  $2.00 Bulb 6V 21/5W #1154

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Peterson PM-421 meets 1970’s US safety standards for motorcycle tail lamps (shines to the sides). Also has built-in side reflectors, eliminating the need for separate ones. Used on 1978-80 Jawa, 1976-77 Derbi, and not many others. 

–  70106  N/A Tail lamp used PM-421
1  70100  $33 Housing-mirror used PM-421
2  70101  N/A Lens cover new PM-421-15
3  70102  N/A Lens screw ST (3)
4  70103  N/A Mount screw ST (3)
5  60507  $2.00 Bulb 6V 21/5W #1154

6  422-10  $19 plastic mount PM-422-10
7  422-24  $$6 mount rubber PM-422-24

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5. Stanley Tail Lights

Dozens of different Stanley tail lights, made in Japan, are on most Honda motorcycles and mopeds. Here we focus on those used on mopeds and small motorcycles.  

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Stanley 040-4765, used on 1977-85 General (top-tank), Lazer (top-tank) and compatibles, made in Taiwan.

1  N/A lamp assembly
2  N/A chrome housing-mirror
2  N/A (2) M6 threaded holes spaced 90mm
3  N/A mount bracket (not shown)
4  $2.00 bulb 6V 21/5W
5 $8 lens gasket
6 none  lens screw M4x50 phillips-wide
7  $40 red lens new, small crack on clear bottom

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Stanley HM-23RC, used on 1977-83 Honda Express NC50 and Express II NA50, made in Japan.

1 none  lamp assembly
2 $45.0 black housing-mirror-mount with license mount
2 none  (3) M6 bolt-thru rubber mounts
4 $2.00 bulb 6V 21/5W
5 none  lens gasket (used)
6 none  lens screws ST (2) 60mm
7 $8.00 red lens (used, side reflectors broken off)

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Stanley HM-42RC, used on 1984-85 Honda Spree NQ50, 1990 Honda NS50, and other late 1980’s Hondas.

1  $45 lamp assembly, without mount
2  $35 black housing-mirror
2  $45 (2) M5 threaded holes spaced 100mm
3  $10 black mount for NS50 (shown)
2  $18 black mount for NQ50 with license mount
4  $1.20 bulb 12V 21/5W
5 $12 lens gasket (used)
6 $$3 lens screws ST (2) 40mm
7  $15 red lens (used)

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6. Cat Eye Tail Lights

Cat Eye reflectors, lights, and turn signal kits, for bicycles and mopeds, were made in Japan.

Cat Eye TL-800, used on 1977-85 Taiwan mopeds, Indian, Angel, General (step-thru) and compatibles.

1 $70.0 lamp assembly, with mount, used
2 $42.0 chrome housing-mirror, used
3 $35.0 black metal mount (shown) good-used
4 $2.00 bulb 6V 21/5W #1154
5 $12.0 lens gasket (used)
6 $1.00 lens screw M4 x 50 or 55 phillips
7 $32.0 red lens 35mm hole spacing

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7. Saturnus Tail Lights

Saturnus tail, turn and head lights were made in Ljubljana, Slovenia. Saturnus tail lights were only on 2012-13 Tomos mopeds (US models), but they have been on European models for decades. 

 Saturnus 2-bulb tail lamp parts, from 2012 Tomos USA Parts Manual.

#  part#  price  qty    description
30  223572  N/A   1  Rear lamp 2012-on
31  044698 $1.50 1  bulb 12V/5W  BA15S
32  044689 $1.50 1  bulb 12V/10W BA15S
33  044439  $$1   2  Lens screw ST 3.9×16
34  236963  N/A   1  Rear lamp holder (mount) 2012-on
35  026690 $1.50 2  Screw M6x16 button-head allen
36  031509  20¢   2  Washer 6
37  222187  $$8   2  Distance tube 6x10x7.5 (not 6x9x5.5 like pre-2012)
38  219946  $$5   2  Vibration rubber for taillight xxx (same as pre-2012)
39  031925  20¢   2  Washer 6 xxxxxxxxxx   (lower is same as pre-2012)

40  044284 $1.40 2  hex bolt M6x22 xxxxxx  (not M6x20 like pre-2012)
41  217674  50¢   2  Washer 6.4×16 xxxxxxx (not 8.4×16 like pre-2012)
42  030040  50¢   2  Nut M6 self-locking (not shoulder nut like pre-2012)

The fender mount was made to interchange with CEV 9417. The upper 6mm stud on CEV 9417 was very short. That made the special shoulder nut necessary, on 1978-2012 Tomos with CEV 9417. This Saturnus mount uses separate bolts, which are longer. That eliminates the need for a more costly shoulder nut. So Saturnus mount uses a 2mm shorter nut, 2mm longer bolt, 2mm longer spacer. This makes the bolts/nuts 2mm closer to the rear tire.  

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8. Fiem Tail Lights

Fiem tail and turn lights are made in India. On US models, Fiem rear lamps are on early 2000’s Hero Pacer, Panther, Ankur (Hero Majestic), Cosmo Stinger (Mont) and Avanti Autopower, Mont, Supersport, Kobra (Mont) mopeds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These two lights are the same. The Avanti one is missing the lower red reflector and left side reflector. The Hero one is missing the right side reflector. The top bulb is bigger for the brake light, 12V 10W with base BA15S (bayonet 12 mm single contact). The bottom bulb is smaller for the tail light, 12V 4W with base BA9S (bayonet 9 mm single contact). The tail light also illuminates the license plate through a clear bottom in the red lens.

 

The Avanti wire colors are yellow = tail, green = brake, black = ground. See wirings for more.

 

 

Inline Fuel Filters

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C1 3/16″ inline filter, round screen type, 12-1585 $6

 

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C2 1/4″ inline filter, round screen type, 15-1520 $6

 

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C3 1/4″ inline filter, 90 deg paper type, 15-1796 $3

 

Screw-on Adaptors

C4: 10×1 male to 12×1 male adapter  $12 plus $2 for the seal ring

Sometimes a gas tank has a 10 x 1 threaded gas valve hole that is close to a “wall”, preventing the gas valve from screwing on or off, unless the tank is removed. Sometimes removal of the tank is very difficult, like on a Cimatti City Bike. In those cases an adaptor fitting can be used to convert to a turn-buckle type gas valve, where only the nut turns. 

A 10mm washer made of plastic, paper, or other semi-hard material provides the seal, not the threads. 

 

 

Screw-on Extenders

What is an extender and when is it needed? An extender is a piece that moves a M10-1.0 screw-on valve away from the tank.

1. For when the petcock handle hits the tank in the up (reserve) position. Most original valves had reserve pointing up, ↑reserve  off→ on↓. Original valves with an up position often had to be moved away from the bottom of the tank with an extender, to allow the handle to go straight up and not hit the tank. Some tanks had a welded-on extender, a short pipe with a 10×1 threaded hole. Some original valves had screw-on extenders. 

For this reason, most modern replacement petcocks do not have an up position. They have ←reserve  on↓ off→. That eliminates the need for an extender, a cost saving improvement.

2. For when the petcock passes through a hole in a body panel. The correct extender length lowers the petcock to the level needed to pass through a hole in a cover panel. So the petcock is hidden except for the handle, for a clean look.

3. For when something prevents installation. Sometimes part of the gas tank or frame prevents the screw-in petcock from screwing in. An example is Peugeot 102.

..part#  price  extension
C10.11   $13  11.0 mm = 10.0 mm extender + 1 mm seal washer
C

C10.12   $14  12.0 mm = 10.0 mm extender + 2 mm seal ring
C

C10.145 $13  14.5 mm = 13.5 mm extender + 1 mm seal washer
C

C10.155 $14  15.5 mm = 13.5 mm extender + 2 mm seal ring
C

C10.195 $14  19.5 mm = 13.5 mm extender + 6 mm cup seal
C10.195 $00  1980 Peugeot 102 SP (required)

C10.22   $26  22.0 mm = 10+10 extenders + 1+1 seal washers
C

C10.23   $27  23.0 mm = 10+10 extenders + 1+2 seal washers
C

C10.25   $13  25.0 mm = 24.0 extender + 1 mm seal washer
C

C10.26   $14  26.0 mm = 24.0 extender + 2 mm seal ring
C

C10.30   $14  30.0 mm = 24.0 extender + 6 mm cup seal
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Seal Rings

C13 seal ring    10-14 x 6  w/metal cup 10.4-16-4.5  $2
continued soft, for light tightening, seals over a wide range

C14 seal 0-ring 10-15-2.5 w/metal cup 10.4-15-3.5  $2
continued soft, for light tightening, seals over a wide range

C15 seal ring   10.0 id, 13.7 od, 1.8-2.3 tall nylon $2.00
continued hard, can hold up to tightening pressure

C16 seal ring     7.5 id, 10.5 od, 1.7-2.1 tall nylon $2.00
continued hard, can hold up to tightening pressure

C17 seal ring     7.9 id, 10.4 od, 1.4-1.8 tall fiber  $2.00
continued hard, can hold up to tightening pressure

C18 seal ring     8.0 id, 11.7 od, 0.0-1.0 tall fiber  $2.00
continued hard, can hold up to tightening pressure

Many more of these are listed in Parts/Engine/Seals and O-Rings

 

Turnbuckle type nuts (forward and reverse thread)

These special nuts have “forward” right-hand thread on one side and “reverse” left-hand thread on the other side. The left thread side screws onto the valve, and the right thread side screws into the tank. This allows a screw-on valve to be tightened without the valve turning, and allows the valve to face any direction 360 degrees after tightening.

C20: 22 x 1 internal right to 22 x 1 internal left  turnbuckle nut   $7 chrome

C21: 16 x 1 internal right to 16 x 1 internal left  turnbuckle nut   $2

This turnbuckle type (LH and RH) nut is used on all 16mm female (internal-thread) moped gas valves.

C21a: 14 x 1 internal right to 14 x 1 internal left  turnbuckle nut   ??

C22: 12 x 1 internal right to 12 x 1 internal left  turnbuckle nut   $1

This turnbuckle type (LH and RH) nut is used on all 12mm female (internal-thread) moped gas valves. 

 

C23: 22 x 1 internal right to 16 x 1 internal left  turnbuckle nut   N/A

This new nut was made improperly. The 16 x 1 left thread ID is to big (so it would strip off the soft alloy threads of the petcock when fully tightened) and the center-line is not straight (so the sealing surface of the petcock is at an angle to the sealing surface of the tank).

C24: 16 x 1 internal right to 12 x 1 internal left  turnbuckle nut   N/A

There are two things to watch out for with these dual diameter dual thread nuts.

1. There are two ring-shape sealing surfaces on the petcock that must be close to the same height when the nut is fully tightened. The outer 

2. The ring-shape sealing surface on the gas tank must be wide enough to press against both of the petcock sealing surfaces.

 

Hoses and Parts

C29 clear nylon hose 3/16″ id 5/16″ od $1/foot fits moped spigots 5mm, no clamps

C30 soft aluminum tubing 1/8″ od $0.50/inch for making reserve tubes, longer or curved upward
continued easily bent, often must be ground slightly for press fit into hole

C31 “Y” connector for 3/16″  hose $3 for joining two fuel lines into one upward
continued for making a clear hose external fuel gauge, or for dual gas tanks

 

 

Inner Seal Discs

These rubber disks are hard and deteriorated after 30 years. The rest of the petcock is metal and lasts forever, or has round seal rings that are relatively easy to find.

Cross Referencing Hopes: The sizes, applications, and possible sourcing of these vital rubber disks is being studied. It is hoped that some of the common moped gas valves might use the same rubber seal as some kinds of Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, or others. When that information becomes available, it will be posted here. Then anyone could order a seal disk for a small brand name bike from a big brand name parts supplier. 

Flipping: Old rubber inner seal disks get hard, shrink, and become deformed. Some can be flipped over to expose a fresh unused side.

Vintage Karcoma: Left, an actual original 1970’s Karkoma (Germany) gas valve from a 1979 Kynast moped, with only 50 miles of use. 30+ years of sitting with old, rotten gasoline premix has completely clogged the passageways with hard tar, and decomposed the seal disk to where it broke when the valve was disassembled. Part of the seal disk shaped like a smile broke off and stuck to the movable plate with handle. Usually when these get sticky the handle ends up getting snapped off, in addition to the seal disk crumbling and the holes clogged.  This is the kind that uses a 3.3mm tall lip on the outer edge of the 2.0mm tall by 13.7mm diameter seal disk D4. Later 1980’s Karkoma valves did not have the lip. For those the D4 early seal disk lip must be carefully ground off. Even the last few new old stock 1970’s Karkoma seal disks, once clear orange, now cloudy gold, are brittle and crack and crumble easily in your fingers. Too bad. That is why disk D4 is N/A not available.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 #  price  OD x thickness  style   Fuel Petcock Inner Seal Disks
D1x none  19.3 x 3.0  8 holes Honda 16115-001-004 60’s Cub
D2x $8.00 16.3 x 3.0  4 holes Honda 16957-ZE1-812 replaces 16955-011-010, 16955-028-004
D2x $0.00 16.3 x  3.0 4 holes fits 60’s-70’s Honda’s and Trac Eagle (Korea), Angel (Taiwan)
D2a none  15.8 x 2.8  4 holes very shrunk D2 from ’65 Honda CA200
D2b none  16.2 x 2.8  4 holes shrunk D2
D2c $22.0 16.3 x 3.0  4 holes D2 with the 4 holes widened
D3x $7.00 22.0 x 2.3  2+2 holes Piaggio 013836 vintage Vespa scooters
D4x none  13.7 x 2.0  3.3 outer lip, 70’s Karkoma (Germany)
D5x none  14.0 x 2.0  3 ∅3.5 holes 70’s Paioli for valve A33
D5a none  14.9 x 3.2  3 holes shrunk unknown
D6a none  13.4 x 2.3  3 holes shrunk aftermarket
D7x none  13.7 x 2.0  3 holes no outer lip, 80’s Karkoma (Germany)
D8x $12.0 18.8 x 3.1  3 holes blue Derbi (Spain) valve=18.5
D8a $5.00 18.6 x 3.0  3 holes shrunk D8
D9x none  13.9 x 1.6  3 holes 3 lips OMG (Italy) for most replacements
D10 $11.0 20.4 x 3.3  4 holes Honda 16955-268-020 another view
D10 $0.00 20.5 x 3.2  4 holes Indian (Taiwan) for valve A35
D11 none  22.3 x 3.5  4 holes General (Taiwan) for valve A28
D16 none  28.5 x 2.4  5 holes KL-18-6643 Kawasaki 11009-1194
D17 none  22.6 x 2.4  5 holes KL-18-6644 Kawasaki 11009-1188
D18 none  23.0 x 2.4  2 holes + slot KL-18-6645 Kawasaki 43049-1066
D19 none  18.8 x 2.4  4 holes KL-18-6646 Kawasaki 43049-1017
D21 none  00.0 x 0.0  Honda 17993
D22 none  00.0 x 0.0  Honda 16955-HA2-005  close up view
D24 none  00.0 x 0.0  Kawasaki 92065-094
D25 none  00.0 x 0.0  Kawasaki 92065-055
D26 none  00.0 x 0.0  Suzuki 44341-18450
D27 none  00.0 x 0.0  Suzuki 51455-010
D28 none  00.0 x 0.0  Yamaha 47X-24523-00
D29 none  00.0 x 0.0  Yamaha 137-24523-00

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

== carb ID#   S C O O T E R S   a n d   M O T O R C Y C L E S
  8. PA 29C-D  1984-87 Honda NQ50, NB50 xxxxx   30 mph TS
14. PB 15A-A  1982-83 Honda C70 Passport xxxxx  xxxxx  OHC

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Scooters

8. Keihin PA 29C-B on #GK8 ‘84-85 Honda NQ50 Spree (US)
8. Keihin PA 29C-D on #GK8 1985   Honda NQ50 Spree (US)
8. Keihin PA 29D-A on #GK8 ‘84-85 Honda NQ50 Spree
8. Keihin PA 29D-B on #GK8 1985   Honda NQ50 Spree
8. Keihin PA 29H-A on #GE8,GN2 1983-85 Honda NB50 Aero 50

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flange Mount: The flange mount holes on ’84-87 Spree carburetors are spaced 35mm, center-to-center. That is different from ’74-78 PC50 32mm, ’82-83 NC50-AA 36mm, ’77-83 NC50 38mm, ’79-on Z50 32mm, and ’76-78 Z50 38mm.

These were zippy 50cc two-stroke automatic scooters that maxed out at 30mph to meet many US state’s moped laws. They have electric start so there is 12 volt battery power to operate an automatic electric choke. They also have a gas gauge and an automatic vacuum petcock on the gas tank. You don’t have know very much to operate one. They had a CVT variator that continuously changes the belt drive pulley size ratio, for very quick acceleration. 

Idle Mixture Screw: The idle mixture screw is an “air screw” that blocks off an air channel.

Main Jet: The main jet is a screw-in, recessed-type, M6-0.75 thread, size 68 (0.68mm).

Pilot Jet: The idle jet is not replaceable. It is inside the upper end of the brass tube, pressed into the main body, on the engine side of the main jet.

Float Seat: This carb does not have a replaceable float needle valve seat. The seat is part of the main body, and must be cleaned and polished with a spinning Q-tip.

Float: non-stirrup type white plastic 16013-147-004 see 6-4.0b, non-stirrup needle valve 16155-883-005 see 6-2.0b

Top Cap: M18 x 1 thread

The float bowl gasket in the illustration looks like the NC50-type, but it’s not. The actual gasket has an additional loop, for a vent and overflow. A “tall” float bowl gasket for a 1982-83 NC50 would work fine. Only if the float overflowed then some of the overflow would leak onto the carb instead of through the overflow hose and onto the ground.

From measuring an actual PA 29C-D carburetor, the sizes can be displayed in the PA 29C-D gaskets photo. The PA 29C-D gasket set is not available but the PA15A-A gasket set can be a substitute. See above.

 quantity
o# ⇓⇓⇓⇓       Keihin PA (a)29C-B  (b)29C-D   (c)29D-A   (d)29D-B
o# abcd price 00000-000-000   Honda part#x  description xxx specs
o0 1000  N/A  16100-GK8-671
o0 1000  N/A  16100-GK8-672 carburetor PA29C-B ’84-85 NQ50, NQ50-A (US)
o0 0100  N/A  16100-GK8-673 carburetor PA29C-D      ’85 NQ50, NQ50-A (US)
o0 0010  N/A  16100-GK8-731
o0 0010  N/A  16100-GK8-732 carburetor PA29D-A ’84-85 NQ50-AA (US 25 mph)
o0 0001  N/A  16010-GK8-733 carburetor PA29D-B      ’85 NQ50-AA (US 25 mph)
o0 1000  N/A  16100-GK8-871 carburetor PA000-0      ’86 NQ50-A
o0 1000  N/A  16100-GK8-881 carburetor PA000-0      ’86 NQ50-AA
o1 1111  $18 16010-GE8-305 gasket solo-set   1b 1c 1g 1v 1w
o1 1111  $18 16010-GK8-003 gasket solo-set   1b 1c 1g 1v 1w
o1 1111  $19 16010-GE8-315 gasket multi-set 1b 1c 1g 1v 1w 1x
1b 1111  $$8 00000-000-000 top rubber washer 13 x 16.5 x 1
1c 1111  $$2 00000-000-000 intake o-ring 2 x 20 (24 od) 
1g 1111  $$2 00000-000-000 drain plug o-ring 1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1v 1111  $15 00000-000-000 float bowl gasket  2.5 x 1.5 with loop
1w1111  N/A  00000-000-000 choke o-ring 1 x 16 (18 od)
1x 0000  N/A  00000-000-000 choke o-ring 1 x 12 (14 od)
20 1100  N/A  99101-187-0680 jet 68   30mph versions
20 0011  N/A   99101-187-0650 jet 65   25mph version AA

 

 

 

 

 

o0 0000  N/A 16100-GE8-672
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GE8-673 carburetor PA040-0 ’83-84 NB50M (US)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GE8-003 carburetor PA040-0      ’84 NB50M (DK)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GE8-013 carburetor PA040-0      ’84 NB50M (DK)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GE8-601 carburetor PA040-0      ’84 NB50M (UK)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GE8-611 carburetor PA040-0      ’84 NB50M (DE)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GE8-621 carburetor PA040-0      ’84 NB50M (FR)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GE8-671 carburetor PA040-0      ’84 NB50M (CA)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-601 carburetor PA040-0      ’85 NB50M (UK)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-602 carburetor PA04H-A      ’85 NB50M (UK)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-621 carburetor PA040-0      ’85 NB50M (FR)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-622 carburetor PA040-0      ’85 NB50M (FR)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-633 carburetor PA046-A      ’85 NB50M (US)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-671 carburetor PA040-0      ’85 NB50M (CA and US)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-672 carburetor PA040-0      ’85 NB50M (US)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-871 carburetor PA040-0      ’86 NB50
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-872 carburetor PA04P-A      ’86 NB50 (US)
o0 0000  N/A 16100-GN2-762 carburetor PA04W-A      ’87 NB50 (US)

 

 

 

 

 

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Motorcycles

 

14. Keihin PB 15A-A on #GB4  1982-83 Honda C70 Passport (US)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flange Mount: 36? mm hole spacing

   quantity
o# ⇓       Keihin PB (a)15A-A
o# a price  Honda part#x  description xxx specs
o0 1  N/A 16100-174-673 carburetor PB 15A-A 1980   C70  Passport (US)
o0 1  N/A 16100-174-772 carburetor PB 15A-A 1981   C70  Passport (US)
o0 1  N/A 16100-GB5-671 carburetor PB 15A-A ’82-83 C70 Passport (US)
o1 1  N/A 16010-GB4-013 gasket solo-set
o1 1  N/A 16010-141-305 gasket multi-set

 

 

 

== carb ID# =========  M I N I   C Y C L E S  =========
  9. PA   Z502  1968-71 Honda Z50A Mini Trail xx 00 mph OHC
10. PA 655-A  1972-75 Honda Z50A Mini Trail xx oo mph OHC
10. PA 674-A  1970-75 Honda QA50 xxx oooo xx 00 mph OHV
11. PA 03A-A  1976-78 Honda Z50A Mini Trail xx oo mph OHC
11. PA 03C-A  1979-81 Honda Z50R
11. PA 03D-A  1982-85 Honda Z50R
11. PA 03F-B  1986-87 Honda Z50R
12. PA 03H-A  1988-91 Honda Z50R
12. PA 03H-B  1988-91 Honda Z50R
12. PA 03M-A  1992-99 Honda Z50R
12. PA 03N-A  1992-99 Honda Z50R
13. PA 42A-C  2000-03 Honda XR50R
13. PA 42A-C  2004-09 Honda CRF50F

 

 

 

 

 

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9. Keihin Z50A on #045 1968-69 Honda Z50A Mini Trail up to Z50A-255950
9. Keihin Z502 on #045 1969-71 Honda Z50A Mini Trail after Z50A-255950 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flange Mount: 32mm hole spacing, 2 x 18 (22 od) o-ring

Main Jet: This carb has a screw-in main jet size 50.

Pilot Jet: It also has a screw-in idle (pilot) jet size 38.

Float Seat: It also has a screw-in float needle seat, replaceable.

Float: no-stirrup metal-tip needle valve, metal swinging float

The Z50A and Z502 carbs are the same except for the needle jet #12 and rubber cable pipe #10.

 

 

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10. Keihin 655-A on #130 1972-75 Honda Z50A Mini Trail
12. Keihin 674-A on #114 1970-72 Honda QA50
12. Keihin ceto and #129 1973-75 Honda QA50

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flange Mount: 32mm hole spacing, no o-ring groove on carburetor. Instead the o-ring groove is on the intake manifold. Since the 2 x 18 (22 od) intake o-ring is not part of the carburetor, it is not in the Honda gasket set 16010-114-004, or the multi-app set 16010-114-305.

Main Jet: This carb has a “long” press-in jet, with a rubber pad disk under it.

Pilot Jet: The idle jet is not replaceable. It is inside the upper end of the brass tube, pressed into the main body, on the engine side of the main jet.

Float Seat early: The 1970-73 carburetor had a screw-in float needle seat, that was replaceable, like in the illustration.

Float Seat late: The 1974-75 carburetor did not have a replaceable float needle valve seat. The seat was part of the main body, and must be cleaned and polished with a spinning Q-tip.

Float: no-stirrup metal-tip needle valve, swinging float 16013-114-004

Top Cap: M18 x 1.0 thread

Drain screw: 1970-73 chamber set 16015-114-004 had a M4-0.7 thread drain screw with a 2 x 4 (8 od) o-ring. 1974-75 had a M6-0.75 thread drain screw with no o-ring. 1976-78 had a M6-1.0 thread drain screw with a 2 x 2.5 (6.5od) o-ring. 1979-later had a 1.5 x 4 (7od) drain screw o-ring.

 

   quantity
o# ⇓⇓    (a) 655-A  (b) 674-A
o# ab price  Honda part#x  description xxx specs
o0 10  N/A 16100-120-010 carburetor 655-A Ø?? ’72-75 Z50A
o0 01  N/A 16100-000-000 carburetor 674-A Ø?? ’70-75 QA50
o1 11  $24 16010-114-004 gasket solo set 1d 1e 1h 1n 1p 1r
o1 00  $24 16010-114-305 gasket multi set 1d 1e 1h 1n 1p 1r 1q
1d 11 0$2 16176-551-004 main jet o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
1e 11 $13 16197-063-004 jet support disk Ø7.5 x 1.8
1h 11 $$2 00000-000-000 intake o-ring 2 x 18 (22 od)
1n 11 none  16173-063-004 float bowl o-ring 1.5 x 40 (43 od)
1p 11 0$5 16171-044-004 top rubber washer 10 x 15 x 1
1r  11 0$5 16175-001-004 drain screw o-ring 2 x 4 (8od)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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11. Keihin (10 mm) PA 03A-A on #130 1976-78 Honda Z50A Mini Trail
12. Keihin (11 mm) PA 03B-A on #181 1979-79 Honda Z50R up to 5022291
12. Keihin (11 mm) PA 03C-A on #181 1979-81 Honda Z50R after 5022291
12. Keihin (11 mm) PA 03D-A on #181 1982-85 Honda Z50R
12. Keihin (11 mm) PA 03F-B on #181 1986-87 Honda Z50R  

In 1979 the model name changed from Z50A to Z50R, and the name Mini Trail was dropped.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flange Mount: 38 mm hole spacing 1976-78.  32 mm hole spacing 1979-87.

Pilot Jet: The idle jet is not replaceable. It is inside the upper end of the brass tube, pressed into the main body, on the engine side of the main jet.

Main Jet:  For some reason in 1979 Honda wanted to make their jets tamper-proof. It’s funny that they went from one extreme to the other, from jets that fall out too easy, to jets that never come out. Both the NC50 and the Z50 changed to “fixed” jets (not replaceable) in late 1978 and 1979. After 1981 the jet was a screw-in, thankfully, like in the illustration

Float Seat: This carb does not have a replaceable float needle valve seat. The seat is part of the main body, and must be cleaned and polished with a spinning Q-tip.

Carb Kit: Beware of low-cost carburetor kits. In the kit at the right several things are wrong or made badly. 1) it is missing the press-in jet pad disk, 2) the jet o-ring was too big to allow the jet to press in. You can see it seems big in the photo. It was size 1.5 x 4 instead of 1 x 3, 3) the float needle was longer than stock, and the wire stirrup was bent badly in two ways. The throttle (jet) needle was D117 thin instead of D348 thick.

Float: In 1979 the float and float needle changed, from stirrup-type needle valve with black foam float, to no-stirrup needle valve 16155-883-005 with white plastic float 16013-147-004. Like before, the float needle has a rubber cone upper tip and a spring-loaded lower tip. 

Float Bowl: The 1979-later float bowl no longer has a press-in jet support pad disk 7.5 x 1.8mm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   quantity
o# ⇓⇓⇓⇓    PA(a)03A-A  (b)03B-A  (c)03C-A  (d)03D-A  (e)03F-B
o# abcde price  Honda part#x  description xxx specs
o0 1o0oo  N/A 16100-130-641 use 16100-130-642
o0 1o0o0  N/A 16100-130-642 carburetor PA 03A-A Ø10 x 38 ’76-78 Z50A
o0 o1000  N/A 16100-165-004 carburetor PA 03B-A Ø11 x 32 ’79-79 Z50R
o0 o0100  N/A 16100-165-014 carburetor PA 03C-A Ø11 x 32 ’79-81 Z50R
o0 oo010  N/A 16100-181-751 carburetor PA 03D-A Ø11 x 32 ’82-85 Z50R
o0 00001  N/A 16100-181-830  16100-181-831 use 16100-181-832
o0 00001  N/A 16100-181-832 carburetor PA 03F-B Ø11 x 32 ’86-87 Z50R
o1 1o000 $28 16010-081-004 gasket solo-set   1a o d e f o h i
o1 10000 $28 16010-143-305 gasket multi-set 1a c d e f o h i
o1 01100 $22 16010-081-014 gasket solo-set   1a o o o f g h
o1 00011 $23 16010-165-621 gasket solo-set   oo o o o f g h o l
o1 01111 $23 16010-181-305 gasket multi-set 1a o o o f g h o l
1a 1o000 $$3 00000-000-000 top rubber washer 10 x 18 x 1
1d 1o0o0 0$2 16176-551-004 main jet o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
1e 10000 $13 16197-063-004 jet support pad disk Ø7.5 x 1.8 
1f  11111 $18 00000-000-000 float bowl gasket  Ø1.5 NC50-type
1g o1111 $$2 00000-000-000 drain screw o-ring 1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1h 11011 $$2 00000-000-000 intake o-ring 2 x 18 (22 od)
1i  10000 0$2 16175-260-004 drain screw o-ring 2 x 2.5 (6.5 od)
1l  01111 0$4 16110-181-831 top rubber washer 13 x 19 x 1
02 10000  N/A 16012-130-640 needle set 03AA
02 010o0  N/A 16012-165-014 needle set 03BA use 16012-181-831 
02 00111  N/A 16012-181-831 needle set 03CA, 03DA, 03FB
03 1o000  N/A 16013-099-691 use 16013-143-620
o3 1o000  $46 16013-143-620 float set 3a oo 3c 3d black stirrup
o3 o1111 $28 16013-147-004 float set oo 3b 3c 3d white regular
3a 1o000  N/A 00000-000-000 float bare, solid black foam stirrup
3b o1111 $21 00000-000-000 float bare hollow white plastic regular
3c 11111 $$4 00000-000-000 hinge pin substitute Ø2 x 18.5
3d 11111 $$3 0-93600-04006 hinge screw M4x6 sunk phillips
o4 11100  N/A 16014-130-640 top set with pipe 4a 1a M18-1.0
o4 00011  N/A 16014-GB1-912 top set with pipe 4a 1l M20-1.0
05 1o000  N/A 16015-130-640 chamber set 5a 1e 1f 5b 1g
05 o1110  N/A 16015-099-691 chamber set 5a oo 1f 5b 1g
05 o???1  N/A 16015-130-641 use 16015-130-641
05 o???1  N/A 16015-165-621 chamber set 5a oo 1f 5b 1g
6a ????1  N/A 16016-165-621 use 16016-165-505
6a ????1  N/A 16016-165-505 idle air screw set
6b ????1  N/A 16208-GC8-004 idle speed screw set
07 ?????  N/A  slide set
09 ?????  N/A  rubber cable pipe cover
10 1o0oo  N/A 16011-143-620 use 16011-881-741
10 1o0oo $21 16011-881-741 float needle valve  stirrup
10 o1111 $22 16155-883-005 float needle valve regular
11 22222 0$1 93892-04012-08 screw & washer M4x12 pan phillips
14 10000 $16 99201-081-0580 main jet push-in #58 0.0228″
14 01100  N/A fixed needle jet and main jet pressed in 0.0228″
14 00011 0$7 99101-187-0580 main jet screw-in #58 0.0228″
18 11111  N/A (not sold separately) idle jet press-in tube 0.015″ pinhole

 

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12. Keihin PA 03H-A on #GW8 1988-88 Honda Z50R up to JS900485
15. Keihin PA 03H-B on #GW8 1988-91 Honda Z50R after JS900485
15. Keihin PA 03M-A on #GW8 1992-93  Honda Z50R
15. Keihin PA 03N-A on #GW8 1994-99  Honda Z50R

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flange Mount: 32mm hole spacing

Main Jet: screw-in #58, M6-0.75

Float: no-stirrup type white plastic 16013-147-004, needle valve 16155-883-005

Top Cap: M20-1.0 thread

Idle Mixture Screw: For the entire Z50A and Z50R year range 1968 to 1999, the idle mixture screw was an air type, not a fuel type. An idle air screw blocks an air tunnel, so tighter is less air (richer). An idle fuel screw blocks off a fuel tunnel. So tighter is less fuel (leaner). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   quantity
o# ⇓⇓⇓⇓  Keihin PA (a)03H-A  (b)03H-B  (c)03M-A (d)03N-A
o# abcd price   Honda part#x   description xxx specs
o0 1000  N/A 16100-GW8-671 16100-GW8-672 carburetor PA 03H-A 1988 Z50R up to JS900485
o0 0100  N/A 00000-000-000  16100-GW8-673 carburetor PA 03H-B ’88-91 Z50R mix screw changed
o0 0010  N/A  -680  -681 000  16100-GW8-682 carburetor PA 03M-A ’92-93 Z50R
o0 0001  N/A  -780  -791 000  16100-GW8-792 carburetor PA 03N-A ’94-99 Z50R
o0 1111  N/A 00000-000-000  16100-GW8-305 multi-carb  PA 03N-A replacement
o1 1111 $23 16010-181-831  gasket solo-set   o0 1f 1g 1h 1l
o1 1111 $23 16010-181-305  gasket multi-set 1a 1f 1g 1h 1l
1f  1111 $18 00000-000-000  float bowl gasket  Ø1.5 NC50-type
1g 1111 $$2 00000-000-000  drain plug o-ring 1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1h 1111 $$2 00000-000-000  intake o-ring 2 x 18 (22 od)
1l   1111 0$4 16110-181-831  top rubber washer 13 x 19 x 1
02 needle set
03 float set
04 chamber set
05 idle air screw set
06 slide set
07 idle speed screw set
09 top set
10 float needle
11 float bowl screw
12 drain hose
13 drain hose clamp
14 main jet

 

 

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13. Keihin PA 42A-C on #GEL  2000-03 Honda XR50R
16. Keihin PA 42A-A on #GEL  2000-03 Honda XR50R
16. Keihin PA 42A-A on #GEL  2004-09 Honda CRF50F

In 2000 the Z50R was replaced by the XR50R. The carburetor remained mostly the same.

 

Links to Images:
2000 Honda XR50R carburetor PA42A-C
2008 Honda CRF50F carburetor  The gasket for this was in use for over 34 years!

This carburetor looks the same as the previous Z50R ones, except the flange is thicker and has square corners, not rounded.

Flange Mount: 32mm hole spacing, thicker with square corners

Chinese re-makes of this carburetor are common on the internet, at incredibly low prices. Read several reviews before buying one. Try to re-use the original Keihin.

In 2004 the XR50R was replaced by the CRF50F. The carburetor remained mostly the same.

Service: Here is a good article about how to remove and clean the non-replaceable idle (pilot) jet.

https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1047667-clogged-pilot-jet-on-a-crf50-success/

The CRF50F idle jet in that article did not crush when gripped lightly with a vise grip pliers. But some pressed-in idle jets have thin walls, or have a tighter fit that needs heavy clamping. Those require a close-fitting drill bit or solid wire, be placed in the hole first, to prevent crushing the tube with the vise grips. It’s a good idea to do that always. 

 

 

 

==============  K E I H I N   P A R T S  ===========
15. Float needles
16. Float bowls
17. Gaskets and O-rings
18. Jets 

 

 

 

 

 

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15.  Float needles (valves)

Baby valves: These are the float needle valves for the smallest “baby” Keihin carburetors. Most other float needles are bigger than these, but look the same in photos.

 

16123-063-004 float needle valve $13  all metal type
On road models: 1969-70 Honda PC50, 1969-70 Honda PS50, 1970-72 Honda PC50K1, 1971-73 PF50 Amigo standard (FR DK NE), 1971-73 PF50 Amigo Graduate (UK), 1970-71 PS50K1, PS50K1 (NE), others

 

16011-881-741 float needle valve $21 stirrup type, 3-sided for 4.00 hole
supersedes 16011-143-62016011-147-004
On road models: 1977-79 Honda NC50 Express (with PA08B-A carb), 1978-79 PA50I and PA50II Hobbit, 1976-78 Z50A Mini Trail  Off road: 1976-78 Honda Z50A, 1977-79 XL75, 2004-07 CR80F, 1976-78 XR75, 1979-84 XR80, 1985-03 XR80R, 1977 CT125, 1976 TL125

 

16155-883-005 float needle valve $22 regular type, 3-sided for 4.00 hole
On road models: 1973-77 Honda PC50K1, 1973-78 Honda PF50 Amigo/Novio, 1978-83 Indian AMI-50, 1979-83 Honda NC50 Express (with PA08B-B carb), 1980-83 PA50II Hobbit, 1979-81 NA50 Express II, 1981-82 NX50 Express SR, 1982-83 NU50 Urban Express, 1980-83 C70 Passport, 1978-79 CT90 Trail 90, 1986 CT110 Trail 110, 1982 MB5, 1990 NS50, 1984-85 NQ50 Spree, 1988-90 SA50 Elite 50, 1985-91 CH80 Elite 80  Off road: 1979-99 Honda Z50R, 1988 ZB50, 2000-03 XR50R, 2004-12+ CRF50F, 2004-09, CRF70F, 1978-82 CT70, 1997-03 XR70R, 1978-79 Honda CT90, 1980-84 CT110

 

Valve seats: The seat is the hole that the needle tip seals against. These “baby” Keihin PA series carbs have non-replaceable valve seats. Most motorcycle carburetors have replaceable float valve seats that screw in or push in. The seat is normally replaced with the needle. With these the seat must be cleaned, polished and inspected. It’s a tiny round hole at the end of a dark small round tunnel. It’s hard to see. It must be perfectly circular with no nicks or scratches on the edge of the hole, where it seals against the rubber cone tip of the needle.  The walls of the tunnel must be clean, smooth and shiny or the float might stick open a little and cause an overflow leak.

Beware of low cost float needles (valves). These have to be made precisely the same as originals in order to function properly. In the photo, the left one is a 16011-991-741 generic low-cost replica, made incorrectly. The stirrup wire is bent and the needle is longer. The right and middle are 16011-991-741 Honda originals (or KL-made replicas) for comparison, made correctly. 

 

 

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16.  “baby” Keihin float bowls

Here the chamber sets from above are all listed together, along with the carbs and bikes they go on. A chamber set includes the float bowl, float gasket, drain screw, and drain screw o-ring. As a courtesy, here are the links to CMS in Netherlands where you can view their image and see their price and availability.

Families: A chamber set family is one or more chamber sets that can interchange.

Jet pad: Before about 1980 these carburetors had push-in main jets. The push-in main jet was supported by a pill size rubber pad. The jet pad was held by a circular wall in the bottom of the float bowl. You can see that in the image on the right. The second bowl is for a jet pad, but the first bowl is not.

Choke jet: Carbs with fuel enrichment  type chokes have a jet in one corner of the float bowl (2nd, 3rd, and 4th in the image). Carbs with air valve choke plates do not have a choke jet (first in the image).

  Float Bowls (chambers) with no choke jet  =================    chamber     gasket

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16015-064-004                                064 family
cmsnl.com roundish shape, shallow for jet pad, no choke jet
on carbs C4A C5A C5B F4A F5A lever-plate choke
on bikes 69-70 PC50/PS50, 70-73 PC50K1/PS50K1, 71-73 PF50

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16015-114-004                                114 family
cmsnl.com roundish shape, deep for jet pad, no choke jet
on carbs 655A 674A lever-plate choke
on bikes 72-75 Z50, 70-75 QA50

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16015-081-004                                081 family
cmsnl.com NC50-shape, shallow for jet pad, no choke jet
on carbs PA00A PA01A lever-plate choke
on bikes 73-77 PF50R, 73-78 PC50K1

16015-130-640  
 cmsnl.com NC50-shape, shallow, for jet pad, no choke jet
on carbs PA03AA lever-plate choke
on bikes 76-78 Z50A, 79-81 Z50R and other Z50’s

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16015-099-691                                165 family
cmsnl.com NC50-shape, shallow, for no jet pad, no choke jet
on carbs PAM0A PA03HA PA03HB PA03MA others lever-plate choke
on bikes 78-83 Indian, 88-99 Z50R, 04-05 CRF50F many others

16015-130-641 ⇒ 16015-165-621
 cmsnl.com NC50-shape, shallow, for no jet pad, no choke jet
on carbs PA03CA PA03DA lever-plate choke
on bikes 80-85 Z50R

16015-165-920 ⇒ 16015-165-621
 cmsnl.com NC50-shape, shallow, no jet pad, no choke jet
on carbs
on bikes

16015-165-621 ⇒ 16015-165-B10
 cmsnl.com NC50-shape, shallow, for no jet pad, no choke jet
on carbs PA03FB lever-plate choke
on bikes 86-87 Z50R

16015-165-B10
 cmsnl.com NC50-shape, shallow, for no jet pad, no choke jet
on carbs PA03?? lever-plate choke
on bikes 93-96 Z50J (Japan model)

 

  Float Bowls (chambers) with choke jet  =================    chamber     gasket

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16015-147-004                                147A family
  cmsnl.com NC50-shape, shallow, for jet pad, with choke jet
on carbs PA08BA  black float, cable-enrich choke
on bikes 77-78 NC50

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16015-147-014                                 147B family
 cmsnl.com  NC50-shape, shallow, for no jet pad, with choke jet
on carbs PA08BB 08EA 08EB 08DA white float cable-enrich choke
on bikes 78-80 NC50, 79-80 NA50

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16015-187-043 use 16015-191-034  191 family
 cmsnl.com NC50-shape, deep, for no jet pad, with choke jet
on carbs PA13EA                 white float vacuum-enrich choke
on bikes 82-83 NU50, NU50M

16015-187-671 use 16015-191-034
 cmsnl.com NC50-shape, deep, for no jet pad, with choke jet
on carbs PA13BA                 white float vacuum-enrich choke
on bikes 81-82 NX50

16015-191-014 ⇒ 16015-191-024
 cmsnl.com NC50-shape, deep, for no jet pad, with choke jet
on carbs PA15AA PA16AA  white float vacuum-enrich choke
on bikes 81 NC50, 81 NA50

16015-191-024 ⇒ 16015-191-034
 cmsnl.com NC50-shape, deep, for no jet pad, with choke jet
on carbs PA15AA PA16AA  white float vacuum-enrich choke
on bikes 81 NC50, 81 NA50

16015-191-034   available soon
  cmsnl.com NC50-shape, deep, for no jet pad, with choke jet
on carbs PA15AA PA16AA  white float vacuum-enrich choke
on bikes 81 NC50, 81 NA50

16015-GA6-671 use 16015-191-034
treatland.tv NC50-shape, deep, for no jet pad, with choke jet
on carbs PA13EA                 white float vacuum-enrich choke
on bikes 82-83 NC50

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16015-GK8-671                                GK8 family
  cmsnl.com  NC50 with outer loop, very deep, choke jet
on carbs PA29CD PA29HA others electric-enrich choke
on bikes 84-86 NQ50, 83-85 NM50

 

 

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17.  Gasket Multi-App Sets (for several carburetors)

There are 100’s of vintage Honda carburetors. Many share the same gaskets, but have maybe one or two things different. To reduce the number of different gasket sets, Honda combines several sets into one multi-set. In a multi set there are extra “optional” gaskets, that may or may not be needed. These are in separate packages labeled A or B. There is a sheet of paper with a table of replacement gasket set part numbers, the specific part numbers they replace, and a number, usually 1 or 0, in the A and B columns, telling how many of each “optional” gaskets are required.  

 

16010-114-305 $20
fits 1972-75 Honda Z50A (minus 2 x 18 o-ring)
fits 1970-75 Honda QA50
1p top rubber washer 10 x 15 x 1  
1q (A) drain screw washer 3 x 6 x 0.5
1d main jet o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
1e jet support disk Ø7.5 x 1.8? 
1n float bowl gasket 1.5 x 40 (43 od) 
1r drain plug o-ring 2 x 4 (8 od)

 

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16010-143-305 $28    
fits 1976-78 Honda Z50A Mini Trail, 1979-81 Z50R
fits 1977 NC50 Express and some 1978 (except for the drain plug o-ring)
fits 1970-77 PC50K1 and 1978-80 Indian AMI50 (except drain plug o-ring)
1a top rubber washer 10 x 18 x 1
1h (A) intake o-ring 2 x 18 (22 od) 
1c (B) intake o-ring 2 x 20 (24 od) 
1d main jet o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
1e jet support disk Ø7.5 x 1.8 
1f  float bowl gasket Ø1.5 NC50 type
1i  drain plug o-ring 2 x 2.5 (6.5 od)

 

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16010-147-505 $24 
fits 1979 NC50 and some 1978
fits 1979-80 NA50 and NC50
fits 
1b top rubber washer 13 x 16.5 x 1
1c intake o-ring 2 x 20 (24 od)
1d (A) idle fuel screw o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
1g (A) drain plug o-ring  1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1f  float bowl gasket Ø1.5 NC50 type
1i  (B) drain plug o-ring 2 x 2.5 (6.5 od)

 

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16010-156-305 $15   
fits 1978-83 Honda PA50
1c intake o-ring 2 x 20 (24 od)
1w intake o-ring 2.5 x 24 (29 od)
1g drain plug o-ring  1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1j float bowl gasket 2 x 50 (54 od)

 

 

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16010-181-305 $23  
fits 1979-86 Z50R, 2000-03 XR50R, 2004-11+ CRF50F
1a top rubber washer 10 x 18 x 1
1h intake o-ring 2 x 18 (22 od)
1l  top rubber washer 13 x 19 x 1 
1g drain plug o-ring  1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1f float bowl gasket Ø1.5 NC50 type

 

 

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16010-GE8-315   
fits 
1b top rubber washer 13 x 16.5 x 1
1c intake o-ring 2 x 20 (24 od)
1y (A) o-ring 1 x 12.5 (14.5 od)
1z (B) o-ring 1.25 x 16 (18.5od)
1g drain plug o-ring  1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1k float bowl gasket 2.5 tall x 1.5 wide NQ50 type

 

 

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16010-GF8-305 $25  
fits 1981-82 NX50, 1982-83 NU50
1b top rubber washer 13 x 16.5 x 1
1h intake o-ring 2 x 18 (22 od)
1d (A) idle fuel screw o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
1t (B) o-ring 1.5 x 8.5 (11.5 od)
1u (B) nylon washer 6.2 x 11 x 0.8
1g drain plug o-ring  1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1k float bowl gasket 2.5 tall x 1.5 wide NQ50 type

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1a rubber washer 10 x 18 x 1
1b rubber washer 13 x 16.5 x 1
1c o-ring 2.0 x 20 (24 od) 
1d o-ring 1.0 x 3 (5 od)
1e jet disk Ø7.5 x 1.8?
1f  float gasket Ø1.5 NC50 type
1g o-ring  1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1h o-ring 2.0 x 18 (22 od)
1i  o-ring 2.0 x 2.5 (6.5 od)
1j o-ring 2.0 x 50 (54 od)
1k float gasket 2.5 tall x 1.5 wide NQ50 type
1l  rubber washer 13 x 19 x 1 
1n o-ring 1.5 x 40 (43 od)
1p rubber washer 10 x 15 x 1  
1q fiber washer 3 x 6 x 0.5
1r o-ring 2.0 x 4 (8 od)
1s
1t o-ring 1.5 x 8.5 (11.5 od)
1u nylon washer 6.2 x 11 x 0.8
1v float bowl gasket  2.5 x 1.5 with loop
1w o-ring 2.5 x 24 (29 od)
1x o-ring 1.0 x 12 (14 od)
1y o-ring 1.0 x 12.5 (14.5 od)
1z o-ring 1.25 x 16 (18.5 od)

 

 

 

 

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18. Jets

  ∅ 5   P U S H – I N    J E T S   ∅5.0 x 9.5 with o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
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 N/A 99201.081.0500 jet push-in 50
 N/A 99201.081.0520 jet push-in 52
 N/A 99201.081.0550 jet push-in 55 C4A C4B F4A C5A
$16 99201.081.0580 jet push-in 58 PA 03A-A
 N/A 99201.081.0600 jet push-in 60
 N/A 99201.081.0620 jet push-in 62 C5B F5A
$16 99201.081.0650 jet push-in 65 PA 01A
 N/A 99201.081.0680 jet push-in 68 
$16 99201.081.0700 jet push-in 70 PA 00A
 N/A 99201.081.0780 jet push-in 78 PA 08B-A
$23 substitute jet, #70 drilled to 78 PA 08B-A

  ∅ 5   P U S H – I N    J E T S   ∅5.0 x 9.5 with o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
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N/A 99201.122.0650 jet push-in 65 PA 06A
N/A 99201.122.0700 jet push-in 70
N/A 99201.122.0750 jet push-in 75 006A, PA 07A

 

 

 

 

 

 

M 6   S C R E W – I N   J E T S    M6-0.75 thread
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0$7 99101-187-0580 jet #58 PA03DA PA03FB 82-87 Z50R
 N/A 99101-187-0600 jet #60
 N/A 99101-187-0640 jet #64
0$7 99101-187-0680 jet #68 PA29CD PA29HA 84-87 NQ50
$$7 99101-187-0700 jet #70 PAMOA PA25A ? 78-80 Indian, 82-83 NC50I
0$7 99101-187-0750 jet #75 PA15A 16A 13BB 81-83 NC50, 81 NA50
0$7 99101-187-0760 jet #76
0$7 99101-187-0780 jet #78 PA13BA 81-82 NX50
0$7 99101-187-0800 jet #80
 N/A 99101-187-0820 jet #82 
0$7 99101-187-0850 jet #85 PA13EA 82-83 NU50

 

M 7   S C R E W – I N   J E T S    M7-0.75 thread
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$7.00 99101-124-0600 main jet 60 BB21A
$7.00 99101-124-0780 main jet 78 BB20A

 

 

 

 

 

 

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19. Where else to get Keihin parts

Consolidated Motor Spares B.V. (CMS): This is an excellent online store from the bike-loving nation of Netherlands that has “every” Honda part. They have parts schematic illustrations for every Honda model worldwide, and photos of every part on every Honda, and not just motorcycles. And not just Honda, but also Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha. Much of the information of the Honda “Baby” Keihin carburetors came from CMS. https://www.cmsnl.com/ 

 

== carb ID# ============  M O P E D S  ===========
3. PA 00A-A  1973-77 Honda PC50K1, PF50R ooo 50 kmh OHV
3. PA 01A-A  1973-77 Honda PC50K1, PF50R ooo 40 kmh OHV
3. PA M0A-A  1978-83 Indian AMI50 4-Stroke xx  30 mph OHV
4. BB 21A-B  1978-78 Honda PA50-I Hobbit xxx   20 mph TS
4. BB 21A-F  1979-79 Honda PA50-I Hobbit xxx   20 mph TS
4. BB 20A-C  1978-78 Honda PA50-II Hobbit xx    30 mph TS
4. BB 20A-F  1979-83 Honda PA50-II Hobbit xx    30 mph TS
5. P 006A-A  1974-75 Honda MR50 Elsinore xxx   40 kmh OHC
5. PA 06A-A  1973-78 Honda PM50, PF50M xxxx   40 kmh TS
5. PA 07A-A  1975-78 Honda PF50M xxxxxxxxx    50 kmh TS

 

 

 

 

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3. Keihin
size   carb   years  model code   models00xx   speed version
0∅9 PA 01A 1973-77 081 Honda PC50K1 00xxxxxx  40 km/h
0∅9 PA 01A 1973-78 099 Honda PF50 Amigo/Novio 40 km/h
∅10 PA 00A 1973-77 081 Honda PC50K1 00xxxxxx  50 km/h
∅10 PA 00A 1973-78 099 Honda PF50 Amigo/Novio 50 km/h
∅10 PA M0A 1978-81 000 Indian AMI-50 (US) xxxx   30 mph

  
1. ’73 Honda PC50K1, 2. ’80 Indian AMI-50 (US), 3. ’73-78 Honda PF50 Amigo line

 

   
1. ’75 Honda PC50K1, 2. ’80 Indian AMI-50 (US), 3. Keihin PA-00A carb, 4. Missing the jet pad #1e.

 

 
1. #0 16100-081-024 Keihin PA-00A carb, 2. #0 Keihin PA-M0A carb

 

Late PC50: In 1973 the PC50 carburetor changed from “donut” float to a swinging float, and a NC50-type float bowl and gasket. The 1973-77 PC50K1 and 1973-78 PF50 engine and carb are the same as the Taiwan remake engine and Keihin carburetor used on the 1978-83 Indian moped. So the carburetor parts are the same also, with some exceptions.

PA 00A (16100-081-024) and PA 01A (16100-099-693) have the same parts. The push-in jet size, venturi size and intake flange o-ring are the only difference. 

PA M0A (E210-20-50) has the same parts as PA 00A and PA 01A, except for 1) a screw-in jet instead of push-in, 2) no jet pad, 3) no jet pad holder in float bowl, 4) a white regular type float instead of a black stirrup type. 

Flange Mount: 32 mm hole spacing, 2 x 18 (22 od) o-ring 00A, 01A.

Indian AMI50: The Indian AMI50 Chief four stroke moped engine, OHV with pushrods and internal pedals, made from 1978-1984, is a Taiwan-made copy of a Honda PC50K1 or PF50 engine, OHV with pushrods and internal pedals, made from 1973-1978. The Indian had three different carburetors, Tillotson (some 1978), Keihin (some 1978, most 1979-80), Mikuni (some 1980, all 1981-84). Only the Keihin parts are listed here.

 

1. left, #0 Keihin PA-M0A carb, 2. right, #0 generic PA-M0A carb

   
1. #1  16010-081-004 carburetor gasket set for PA 00A and 01A
2. #1  16010-143-305 carburetor multi-set for PA 00A, 01A, 03A
3. #1  16010-081-014 carburetor gasket set for PA M0A
4. #1  16010-181-305 carburetor multi-set for PA M0A, 03C, 03D, 03E, 03F

 

quantity
o# ⇓⇓⇓    Keihin  (a)PA-00A  (b)PA-01A  (c)PA-M0A
o# abc price Indian part#  Honda part#    description        specs
00 100  N/A 0000-00-00 16100-081-024 carburetor PA 00A Ø10 E10
00 010  N/A 0000-00-00 16100-099-693 carburetor PA 01A   Ø9 E10
00 001  N/A  E210-00-50 16100-000-000 carburetor PA M0A Ø10
00 111 $75  E000-00-00 16100-000-000 carb generic new Ø10, jet 70 screw-in
00 111 $50  E000-00-00 16100-000-000 carb generic new no top, slide, needle
o1 110 $28 0000-00-00 16010-081-004 gasket solo-set   1a o d e f g h
o1 110 $28 0000-00-00 16010-143-305 gasket multi-set 1a c d e f o h i
o1 oo1 $22 E231-gasks  16010-081-014 gasket solo-set   1a o o o f g h
o1 001 $23 E231-gasm  16010-181-305 gasket multi-set 1a o o o f g h i  l
1a 111 $$3 E231-####00000-000-000 top rubber washer 10 x 18 x 1
1c 000 $$2 E231-####00000-000-000 intake o-ring 2 x 20 (24 od) 
1d 11o 0$2 0000-00-00 16176-551-004 main jet o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
1e 11o $13 E231-####16197-063-004 jet pad disk Ø7.5 x 1.8 
1f  111 $18 E231-02-00 00000-000-000 float bowl gasket Ø1.5 NC50-type
1g oo1 $$2 E231-11-00 00000-000-000 drain screw o-ring 1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1h 11o $$2 0000-00-00 00000-000-000 intake o-ring 2 x 18 (22 od)
1i  110 0$2 0000-00-00 16175-260-004 drain screw o-ring 2 x 2.5 (6.5 od)
02 110 $21 0000-00-00 16011-881-741 float needle valve  stirrup type
02 oo1 $22 E231-13-00 16155-883-005 float needle non-stirrup type
03 111  N/A E231-####16012-081-014 needle set 3a 3b 3c 3d
3a 111 $10 E231-09-00 00000-000-000 jet needle D348 thick Ø2 x 33
3b 111 0$2 E231-10-00 16157-044-004 needle e-clip substitute 1.5mm
3c 111 0$5 E231-08-00 16156-044-004 w-spring clip
3d 111  N/A E231-####16133-081-004 needle jet ∅3.95 ∅5 ∅3.9 ∅5 x 27
3d ooo 0$6 0000-00-00 ooooo-000 03A needle jet ∅3.95 ∅5 ∅3.9 ∅5 x 27
3d ooo 0$6 0000-00-00 ooooo-000 03B needle jet ∅3.95 ∅5 ∅3.9 ∅5 x 27
o4 110  N/A E231-####16013-099-691 float set black 4c 4d 4e PA 00A, 01A
4a 001 $28 E231-####16013-147-004 float set white 4b 4d 4e PA M0A
4b 001 $21 E231-06-00 00000-000-000 float bare white non-stirrup
4c 110  N/A E231-06-00 00000-000-000 float bare black stirrup
4d 111 $$4 E231-15-00 00000-000-000 hinge pin substitute Ø2 x 18.5
4e 111 $$3 E231-16-00 0-93600-04006 hinge pin screw M4 x 6 sunk
05 111 $30 E231-01-00 16014-081-004 top set 5a 5b 1a
5a 111 $23 E231-03-00 00000-000-000 substitute cap brass M20-1.0
5b 111 0$3 E231-####00000-000-000 cable adjuster male M6-0.75
06 11o  N/A E231-01-00 16015-081-004 chamber set 6a 6b 1f 1i
6a 11o  N/A 0000-00-00 16015-165-B10 float bowl bare for push-in jet
06 oo1 $67 E231-####16015-099-601 chamber set 6a 6c 1f 1g
6a oo1 $46 E231-01-00 16015-165-B10 float bowl bare for screw-in jet
6b 11o  N/A 0000-00-00 00000-000-000 bowl drain screw M4-0.70
6c oo1 $16 E231-23-00 00000-000-000 bowl drain screw M6-1.00
07 111 $15 E231-####16016-143-620 adjustment screw set 7a 7b 7c 7d
7a 111  N/A E231-19-00 00000-000-000 idle air mix screw M6-0.75 special
7b 111 $$4 E231-21-00 00000-000-000 idle speed screw M4-0.70 special
7c 111 $$7 E231-20-00 00000-000-000 idle air screw spring Ø4.9 x 10
7d 111 $$2 E231-22-00 00000-000-000 idle speed screw spring Ø5.6 x 10
08 1o1 $34 E231-####16022-081-004 valve set 8a 8b Ø13 PA 00A
08 1o1 $00 E231-####16022-HB2-003 new #
8a 1o1 $22 E231-07-00 00000-000-000 throttle slide Ø13 #15A PA 00A
8b 1o1 $12 E231-17-00 00000-000-000 throttle spring Ø10 x 42 PA 00A
08 o1o  N/A 0000-00-00 16022-143-620 valve set 8a 8b Ø12 PA 01A
08 o10 $00 0000-00-00 16022-191-004 new #
11 111 0$2 E231-04-00 16118-086-004 rubber boot substitute Dellorto
12 222 0$1 E231-12-00  93500 – 04012 bowl screw M4 x 12 pan phillips
13 222  .25 E231-####   95002-02070 bowl screw lock washer
14 111  N/A E231-####   95001-35150 drain hose
15 111  N/A E231-####0-95002-02070 drain hose clamp
16 oo1 $$7 E231-18-00 99101-187-070 main jet #70 M6-0.75 screw-in
16 oo1  N/A E231-18-00 99201-187-0700 new #
16 11o $16 0000-00-00 99201-081-070 main jet #70 0.0275″ push-in
16 11o  N/A 0000-00-00 99201-081-0700 new #
17 oo1  N/A E231-01-00 00000-000-000 carb body bare
18 oo1  N/A E231-####00000-000-000 idle jet press-in tube 0.38 mm=0.015″

 

Choke plate: These three carbs have a lever choke that swings a plate to block air flow. There is no enrichment fuel path or jet. So the float bowl has no choke jet. The other baby Keihins with cable or vacuum operated choke do have a choke jets in their float bowls. The choke (enrichment) fuel passes up through the sealed off corner of the bowl gasket.  

Float Bowl: The PA-03A and 03B chamber set (float bowl, float bowl gasket, drain screw and drain screw o-ring) from 1970’s Honda mini-cycles (Mini Trail or Monkey) interchanges with a PA 00A, 01A chamber set  from 1970’s Honda mopeds. The drain screw (4 or 6 mm) and its o-ring (2×2.5 or 1.5×4) are different. So if the float bowl is changed the drain screw must also be changed. 

Needle jet: The PA-03A and 03B mini-cycle needle jets (emulsion tubes) interchange with PA 00A, 01A, and M0A moped ones. These press out with taps from a hammer and punch from above. At first the punch tip needs to be bigger than the 4 mm tube end. Once the tube end gets below the floor a smaller 3.5 to 3.9 mm straight round bar is needed. It has to enter the 4 mm hole and contact the idle tube around the edge.

Idle jet: A little downstream from the needle jet is the idle jet. It is a pinhole 0.015″ at the upper end of a vertical brass tube about 20mm long. The idle tube is a press fit in the carb body. Some can be pulled out with just a pliers. Some might be tighter and require a drill bit be placed inside the tube to prevent crushing from the tighter pliers grip. This tube was never intended to be replaced and is not sold or included in any common carb kit. 

Air tunnels: In the front below the main air inlet are two small horizontal air tunnels. The center tunnel is main air and the side tunnel is idle air. The small amount of air sucked in through the main air tunnel passes through tiny holes in the emulsion tube and becomes thousands of microscopic air bubbles in the liquid gasoline that is being drawn upward. The tiny amount of air sucked in through the idle air tunnel passes around the idle air adjustment screw cone shape tip and goes to the vertical idle passage just above the idle jet. The idle air tunnel is the size of a regular paper clip 0.036 inch. A straightened paper clip cleans it perfectly.    

 

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4. Keihin
∅10 BB 21A-B #148 on 1978-78 Honda PA50 I  Hobbit (US) 20 mph
∅10 BB 21A-F #148 on 1979-79 Honda PA50 I  Hobbit (US) 20 mph
∅12 BB 20A-C #148 on 1978-83 Honda PA50 II Hobbit (US) 30 mph

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flange mount: 42 mm bolt hole spacing

Honda’s successor to the four-stroke PC50 was the two-stroke PA50, known in the USA as Hobbit, and in Europe as Camino. It was made in Belgium by Honda Benelux, so it had a mix of Japanese and European design and componentry. 

In US models, 20 mph versions were 1978-79 red. 30 mph versions were 1978-79 yellow, 1980 yellow, 1981-82 red, and 1983 black.

This Keihin BB type carburetor is not like any other moped carburetor. It looks more like a Honda generator carburetor. It is a very flat design. It has to be special because it swings up and down with the engine, and is very close to the frame at the place where you step through.  The BB type floats on PA50 are wider and flatter than NC50 or Z50 floats.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  quantity
o# ⇓⇓⇓⇓  (a)BB 21A-B (b)BB 21A-F (c)BB 20A-C (d)BB 20A-F
o# abcd price  Honda part# x description xxx specs
00 1o00  N/A 16100-148-645 carburetor 21A-B ∅10 20 mph 1978 
00 01o0  N/A 16100-148-646 carburetor 21A-F ∅10 20 mph 1979
00 o010  N/A 16100-148-708 carburetor 20A-C ∅12 30mph 1978
00 o001  N/A 16100-148-708 carburetor 20A-F ∅12 30mph’79-83 
01 1111 $14 16010-124-760 gasket solo-set   1c 1g oo 1j
01 1111 $15 16010-156-305 gasket multi-set 1c 1g 1w 1j
1c 1111 $$2 00000-000-000 intake o-ring 2 x 20 (24 od)
1g 1111 $$2 00000-000-000 drain screw o-ring 1.5 x 4 (7 od)
1j  1111 $11 00000-000-000 float bowl gasket 2 x 50 (54 od)
o2 1010  N/A 16011-147-004  16011-147-305
o2 1010 $21 16011-881-741 float needle stirrup type
o2 0101 $22 16011-883-005 float needle regular type
03 1010  N/A 16013-124-760
03 1010  N/A 16013-124-762 float set black 3a 3c 21A-B, 20A-C
03 0101  N/A 16013-883-305 float set white 3b 3c 21A-F, 20A-F?
3a 1010  N/A 00000-000-000 float bare black stirrup type
3b 0101  N/A 00000-000-000 float bare white regular type
3c 1111  N/A 00000-000-000 hinge pin ∅2 x 23
04 1111  N/A 16016-148-611 screw set
04 1111  N/A 16016-890-015 screw set 4a 4b 4c 4d 4e
4a 1111 0$1 00000-000-000 idle speed screw M4 x 15 slot
4b 1111  N/A 00000-000-000 idle speed spring
4c 1111  N/A 00000-000-000 idle fuel screw
4d 1111  N/A 00000-000-000 idle fuel spring
4e 1111 0$3 00000-000-000 cleaning access plug M5 x 5 slot
05 1111  N/A 16024-124-760 drain screw set
07 1111  N/A 16110-148-010 choke lever cover
08 1111  N/A 16166-148-740 nozzle, main
09 1111  N/A 16199-148-611 vent hose ∅3.5 ∅6.5 x 65 gray
09 1111  .50 16199-148-sub substitute  ∅3.1 ∅6.3 x 65 clear
10 1111 0$2 0-93500-04008 cable pinch screw M4 x 8
11 2222 0$1 0-93500-04012 bowl screw M4x12 pan phillips
12 2222  .50 0-94111-04800 lock washer M4 split
13 1111  N/A 95001-35400-40 drain hose ∅3.5 ∅7.0 x 400 gray
13 1111 0$1 95001-35400sub substitute ∅3.1 ∅6.3 x 400 clear
14 1010 0$7 99101-124-600 main jet 60 21A
14 0101 0$7 99101-124-780 main jet 78 20A
15 1111  N/A 0-95002-02070 drain hose clamp B7 (for 7 not 6.3)
16 1111  N/A 0-95002-02065 vent hose clamp B6.5

 

 Servicing: The best way to remove the PA50 carburetor is to hold the back of the bike up by either a rope tied to an overhead beam, or with a milk crate and blocks of wood. Remove the floorboards and side covers. Unplug the ignition wires from the coil at the right rear. Pull them through and move them out of the way. Disconnect the decompression cable and the spark plug cap. Loosen the wiring clamps so there is slack in the wires. Remove the lower rear shock bolts and the swing arm pivot bolt above the engine. Then the whole sub-frame can be moved away from the main frame, either by lifting the back of the bike up, or by swinging it around sideways.

Note that the float bowl can go on two different ways. The wrong way assembles normally, but causes the vertical brass overflow tube to contact the float. Honda designed all of the cleaning ports, drain screws, and adjustment screws to face the right side of the bike, which is the upper left in the exploded view. The drain hose spigot on the float bowl faces the same way as the adjustment screws. The other way to tell is by shaking the carburetor. If you can hear the float rattling inside then the float is not stuck so the float bowl is on correctly. 

While every other moped carburetor is a sliding throttle valve type, this one is a swinging plate throttle valve. The reason is to be flatter, to get more clearance from the bottom of the frame. The manual choke is also a swinging plate, with an automatic release.

Some servicing can be done with the carburetor installed. It is easy to clean the idle passages and jet by spraying a one second long burst of carb spray into the idle mixture screw hole, followed by compressed air. The running engine is allowed to consume the flammable solvent before the next burst is sprayed in, to prevent the engine from getting flooded.

 

 

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5. Keihin
size carb model code years       Honda models
∅12   006A on #131 1974-75 MR50 Elsinore (US)
∅10 PA06A on #122 1973-75 PM50 Canguro, PM50 Novio  40 km/h
∅10 PA07A on #143 1975-78 PF50M, PF50MR (BE,NL,NZ) 40 km/h
∅12 PA07A on #143 1975-78 PF50M, PF50MR (FR,UK,CA) 50 km/h

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flange mount: PA06A PA07A 32 mm bolt hole spacing
Spigot-mount: 006A

Cable-choke: The choke cable passes through the carb top along with the throttle cable.  

Float: These carbs have a black float 16003-114-004 but a non-stirrup type float needle. The float needle and seat are sold as a set 16011-122-004.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  quantity
o# ⇓⇓⇓    Keihin    (a)006A   (b)PA06A   (c)PA07A
o# abc price  Honda part# x description xxx specs 
00 10o  N/A 16100-131-004 carburetor ∅12 006A   74-75 MR50
00 o00  N/A 16100-122-004
00 o00  N/A 16100-122-014 carburetor ∅10 696A
00 o00  N/A 16100-122-024 carburetor ∅10 PA06B
00 01o  N/A 16100-122-690 carburetor ∅10 PA06A PM50 < 20101
00 01o  N/A 16100-122-691 carburetor ∅10 PA06A PM50 > 20100
00 01o  N/A 16100-122-692 carburetor ∅10 PA06A PM50 > 20100
00 o01  N/A 16100-143-620 carburetor ∅12 PA07A PF50M, PF50MR
00 10o  N/A 16010-131-004 gasket solo-set   5-piece 1a d e f o i
01 011  N/A 16010-122-004 16010-122-014
01 011  N/A 16010-122-305 gasket multi-set 7-piece 1a d e f h i s
1a 111  N/A 00000-000-000 top gasket Ø1.5
1d 111 0$2 16176-551-004 main jet o-ring 1 x 3 (5 od)
1e 111 $13 16197-063-004 jet pad disk Ø7.5 x 1.8 
1f  111  N/A 00000-000-000 float bowl gasket Ø1.5
1h 011 $$2 00000-000-000 intake o-ring 2 x 18 (22 od)
1i  111 0$2 16175-260-004 drain screw o-ring 2×2.5(6.5od)
1s 111  N/A 00000-000-000 float valve o-ring 1.5 x 5 (8od)
96 011  N/A 99201-122-0650 main jet push-in #65 PA06A
96 100  N/A 99201-122-0750 main jet push-in #75 006A PA07A?