updated 2021-09
Table of Contents (speedo families):
speedo cable
maker holes on US models
1. CEV 2.0/2.0 on Cimatti, Vespa (some), others
1. CEV-1.8/2.0 on some Italian mopeds
1. CEV-2.0/1.8 on ’74-02 Tomos
1. CEV-2.0/2.7 on some Italian motorcycles
2. VDO 1.8/1.8 on Puch, ’03-18 Tomos, others
2. VDO-2.0/1.8 on ’86-89 Derbi Variant Sport
3. Huret 2.7/2.7 on Garelli, Motobecane, others
3. Huret-2.0/2.0 on some Italian mopeds
4. Veglia 2.7/2.7 on Vespa (some), others
4. Veglia-2.0/2.0 on Baretta, Malaguti, others
4. Veglia-Peugeot on Peugeot 102, 103
5. Walker 1.8/1.8 on ’75-86 Derbi Variant
6. Jawa 2.2/2.2 on ’73-83 Jawa 207
7. Tatung on General, Indian, others
8. Nippon Seiki on Honda NC50, PA50
9. Stewart Warner on AMF (some)
10. Service Info
Speedometers on vintage mopeds are all mechanical type, not electronic. A driver or sender on the front wheel rotates the cable. The cable, with a spinning wire inside, goes up to the speedometer head. Inside the gauge a spinning magnet moves the needle. An odometer or mileage meter is also driven by the cable, with gears.
Speedo families are heads, cables and drivers that have certain things in common. The head and driver threads are the same. The head and driver square cable holes are the same. So heads, cables and drivers within the same family all interchange.
Speedo family name is the maker name plus the head and driver square cable holes.
Square cable holes are a little bigger than square cable ends. A 2.0mm hole takes a 1.85 to 1.95mm cable, and a 2.75mm hole takes a 2.55 to 2.70mm cable. This is a source of confusion.
Speedo drivers: On the front wheel is small gear box that changes the wheel rotation into the cable rotation.
Speedo driver Side means what side of the front wheel would make the driver rotate the cable clockwise, viewed from above. Reversing the side by flipping the front wheel reverses the speedo cable rotation.
Speedo driver Type: Most drivers have the cable exiting below the axle. Most left side drivers are type d because they look like a letter “d”. Most right side ones are type b because they resemble letter “b”. But some type d’s are for right side, and some type b’s are for left. This is because the worm gear teeth can be wound left or right, like a left or right hand thread bolt.
Speedo driver Ratio means how many times the cable rotates for each wheel rotation. Larger diameter tires require higher driver ratios to achieve the same cable rotation. Smaller tires require lower ratios. The gear ratio is related to the angle of the gear teeth as well as the tooth counts.
Speedo cables can be different lengths for the same bike. Aiming the speedo driver more upward requires a shorter cable. Aiming the driver more downward requires a longer cable. When the front suspension goes over bumps, the speedo cable has to flex up and down. Aiming the driver 90 degrees to the suspension travel makes the least stress on the cable and the least interference with the suspension movement. Most newer bikes are that way. But then the cable hangs out a lot, and requires a fender eyelet to help prevent the long cable from getting snagged on things when parking or maneuvering.
1. CEV
00 head M driver head driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole end end
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 1.8 2.0 1.75 1.95 CEV-1.8/2.0
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 2.0 2.0 1.95 1.95 CEV-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 2.0 1.8 1.95 1.75 CEV-2.0/1.8-Tomos
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 2.75 2.75 2.60 2.60 CEV-2.0/2.7
CEV 2.0/2.0 and CEV-1.8/2.0 speedo families are on US models of Italian mopeds, Baretta (some), 80’s Cosmo (some), Bianchi (some), Gadabout, Italvelo (some), Intramotor Gloria, Malaguti (some), Motobecane Sebring, Motobee, Motomarina, Motron (some), Negrini (some), Rizzato, Safari, Snark (some), Testi (some), Vespa Grande (some), West Wind, Yankee Peddler, and some non-Italian mopeds, Carabela, KTM Foxi.
CEV-2.0/1.8-Tomos speedo family is on US models of Tomos 1974-2002.
CEV-2.0/2.7 speedo family is on some Italian scooters, mini-cycles and motorcycles.
1a. CEV Speedometers
CEV 60mm speedos, 0 to 40 mph, with 2.0mm cable hole
Speed testing: They are all tested on the same drill, for comparison of speed accuracy. The odometer accuracy never varies – it either works or not. It takes up to 3 minutes at 20mph to click off one mile. Each speedometer is tested for at least 3 minutes, some over 10 minutes all together. Once all of the 17 tested speeds are retested and verified, an average speed can be calculated. First the highest and lowest are ignored. Then the remaining 15 test speeds are added up and the sum is divided by 15 to give 23.8 average. You can see that most of the speedos tested at 23, 24, or 25 mph. The accuracy is an important factor in determining the price. The condition of the glass, face, and needle are also important.
CEV-2.0/2.0 60mm round speedometers: 15 out of 17 were originally frozen. They have all been cleaned, checked, and lubed, and tested.
# dia. miles price tested
# mm miles price speed error odometer glass/face
2 60 00003 $25 10.0 -13.8 odo works, speedo reads very low
3 60 00002 $75 22.5 -1.3 odo works, new, perfect glass
4 60 00009 $25 21.0 -2.8 odo frozen, only speedo works
5 60 01063 $75 25.0 +1.2 odo works, used, good “glass”
6 60 00002 $65 25.0 +1.2 odo works, new, tiny scratches
10 48 00002 n/a 23.5 -0.3 odo works, mini type
12 60 00002 $75 23.5 -0.3 odo works, new in original box
13 60 00002 $75 24.0 +0.2 odo works, new in original box
14 60 00001 $55 20.5 -3.3 odo works, new in original box
15 60 05183 $65 25.0 +1.2 odo works, has a small smudge
16 60 00995 $65 25.0 +1.2 odo works, slightly cloudy
17 60 00084 $80 27.0 +3.2 odo works, very good “glass”
CEV-Tomos Speedometers
Tomos Speedos on US models 1974 to 2017
Left: 1,2,3,4 CEV-type, Right: 5,6,7,8 VDO-type
Tomos 1974-02 CEV-type 40 mph M11-0.75 threads
# Tomos# years models face cable bulb volt/watt made by
1. 213233 1974-79 all Rev dk blu 2.00 9 bayon. 6V 1.2w CEV
2. 214838 1980-87 all Rev black 2.00 5 wedge 6V 1.2w CEV
3. 222006 1987-91 all Rev black 2.00 5 wedge 12V 1.2w CEV-Tomos
4. 227496 1992-02 all Rev black 0.00 5 wedge 12V 1.2w Facomsa
Tomos 2002-17 VDO-type 40 mph M10-1.00 threads
5. 232803 2003-05 all Rev white 0.00 7 bayon. 12V 1.2w MMB
6. 232803 2009-10 Revival white 0.00 5 wedge 12V 1.2w F- logo
7. 232803 2005-08 all Rev white 0.00 7 bayon. 12V 1.2w generic
8. 232803 2008-17 all Rev white 0.00 7 bayon. 12V 1.2w Alpha
These Tomos speedometers all read in mph. The odometers all read in miles, except #6 which reads in kilometers.
None of these are for sale. They are shown for identification and for reference. For 1, 2, 3, 4 replacements, see 1a. CEV Speedos. For 5, 6, 7, 8 replacements see 2a. VDO Speedos.
Vespa Grande came with three different 60mm speedos, CEV blue #307252, Veglia black #307168, and CEV black #307872.
1b. CEV Speedo Drivers
Ratio: The black colored ratios listed below are from the Marini Mobili 1982 (yellow notebook) parts catalog, or from the marking on the driver. The red colored ratios are from direct measurement.
00CEV# price axle ratio mark side/ cable with grease zerk
00CEV# price axle ratio mark type hole depth
007121 none 11 1.8 121
007296 none 11 1.7 296 L d 2.0 00.0 Motron 16″, MMI J103 Sebring 17″
007324 $60.0 11 1.7 324 L d 2.0 03.7 Cimatti 16″ C3540
007337 $55.0 11 1.2 337 R b 2.7 22.0
007341 $58.0 11 0.85 341 R b 2.0 07.5
007373 $55.0 11 1.7 373 R b 2.0 03.7
007402 none 11 1.3 402
007408 68-48 11 1.6 408 L d 1.8 03.7 Tomos 209650
007416 $58.0 12 1.6 416 R b 2.0 03.7
007422 none 10 1.6 422
007428 none 11 1.7 428
007429 none 12 1.8 429
00CEV# price axle ratio mark side/ cable with grease cap
00part# price axle ratio mark style hole depth
00000 $55.0 11 1.7 17:10 R b 1.8 03.3 with 3.7 thin lip
00000 $60.0 12 1.7 17:10 R b 1.8 03.3
00408 $55.0 12 1.6 16:10 L d 1.8 03.3 Tomos
58556 $48.0 12 1.7 none R b 2.7 12.8 ’90’s Aprilia
1c. CEV Speedo Cables
00 head M driver head driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole end end
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 1.8 2.0 1.75 1.95 CEV-1.8/2.0
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 2.0 2.0 1.95 1.95 CEV-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 2.0 1.8 1.95 1.75 CEV-2.0/1.8-Tomos
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 2.0 2.7 1.95 2.65 CEV-2.0/2.7
CEV# Tomos# conduit lower end upper end price CEV-1.8/2.0
1100/575 575 = 22.6″ 1.80-1.90 1.60-1.65 $47.0 low speedo
CEV# Tomos# conduit lower end upper end price CEV-2.0/2.0
7804/575 575 = 22.6″ 1.85-1.90 1.90-1.95 $39.0 Cimatti C3530
7804/600 600 = 23.6″ 1.85-1.90 1.90-1.95 $44.0 low speedo
7804/650 650 = 25.6″ 1.85-1.90 1.90-1.95 $42.0 ’80 Motron 0010B
7804/650 wire only 1.85-1.90 1.90-1.95 $17.
7804/700 700 = 27.6″ 1.85-1.90 1.90-1.95 none original
7804/750 750 = 29.5″ 1.85-1.90 1.90-1.95 $46.0 ’78-79 Motron 0010
7804/800 800 = 31.5″ 1.85-1.90 1.90-1.95 $42.0 original
307253 /0 000 = 00.0″ 1.85-1.90 1.90-1.95 none Vespa Grande with blinkers
CEV# Tomos# conduit lower end upper end price reproductions
MM05024 750 = 29.5″ 1.94-1.98 1.90 rect. $32.0 replacement
CEV# Tomos# conduit lower end upper end price CEV-2.0/1.8 Tomos ’74-02
7812/600 213.232 600 1.73-1.77 1.88-1.98 none ’74-76 low speedo
7812/700 213.729 700 1.73-1.77 1.88-1.98 none ’77-79 high speedo
7812/750 214.837 750 1.73-1.77 1.88-1.98 $42.0 ’80-91 more bend?
7812/750 227.698 750 1.73-1.77 1.88-1.98 none ’92-97
7812/750 213.729 750 1.75-1.78 1.83-1.85 $44.0 ’98-02 (’03-on had VDO)
CEV# Tomos# conduit lower end upper end price reproductions
MP-05024 ’00-07 750 1.90-1.95 1.67-1.70 none repro 1a made wrong
MP-05024 ’08-15 750 1.94-1.98 1.70-1.75 none repro 1b made wrong
MM213729 ’17-on 750 1.70-1.75 1.95-2.00 $26.0 modified repro, wire inverted,
MM213729 ’17-on 750 1.70-1.75 1.95-2.00 $00.0 c-clip under upper conduit lip
TL-213729 ’18-on 750 1.75-1.80 1.88-2.00 $15.0 repro 2 wrong upper thread
TL-213729 ’18-on 750 1.75-1.80 1.88-2.00 none but wire fits 214.837 perfectly
CEV# Tomos# conduit lower end upper end price CEV-2.0/2.7
78??/500 000.000 500 2.60-2.65 1.88-1.98 $37.0 unknown application
2. VDO
00 head M driver head driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole end end
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 1.8 1.8 1.75 1.75 VDO-1.8/1.8
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 2.0 1.8 1.95 1.75 VDO-2.0/1.8
VDO-1.8/1.8 speedo family is on US models of Batavus, Columbia, Hercules, Kreidler, Murray, Odyssey, Puch, Sachs, Sears Free Spirit, Solo, Sparta.
VDO-2.0/1.8 speedo family is on US-model Derbi Variant Sport 1986-89. The speedometer is CEV late-80’s square.
2a. VDO Speedometers
VDO 60mm speedos on US model Puch mopeds
VDO-Tomos Speedometers
Tomos Speedos on US models 1974 to 2017
Left: 1,2,3,4 CEV-type, Right: 5,6,7,8 VDO-type
Tomos 1974-02 CEV-type 40 mph M11-0.75 threads
# Tomos# years models face cable bulb volt/watt made by
1. 213233 1974-79 all Rev dk blu 2.00 9 bayon. 6V 1.2w CEV
2. 214838 1980-87 all Rev black 2.00 5 wedge 6V 1.2w CEV
3. 222006 1987-91 all Rev black 2.00 5 wedge 12V 1.2w CEV-Tomos
4. 227496 1992-02 all Rev black 0.00 5 wedge 12V 1.2w Facomsa
Tomos 2002-17 VDO-type 40 mph M10-1.00 threads
5. 232803 2003-05 all Rev white 0.00 7 bayon. 12V 1.2w MMB
6. 232803 2009-10 Revival white 0.00 5 wedge 12V 1.2w F- logo
7. 232803 2005-08 all Rev white 0.00 7 bayon. 12V 1.2w generic
8. 232803 2008-17 all Rev white 0.00 7 bayon. 12V 1.2w Alpha
These Tomos speedometers all read in mph. The odometers all read in miles, except #6 which reads in kilometers.
2b. VDO Speedo Drivers
Metal Drivers (made up to 4/1978) Plastic Drivers (made from 4/1978 on)
mark price axle ratio mar side/ cable
markings 00 price axle ratio type hole open with 1 finger
21 LH 027/1 none 12.7 1.7 L d 1.8 Columbia dates 11/77
17 LH 29/54 none 12.7 1.7 L d 1.8 Columbia dates
00 LV 06/63 $52.0 11 1.7 L b 1.8 unknown dates 4/77
00 LV 28/18 $55.0 11 1.7 L b 1.8 unknown dates 11/79
16 LH 29/26 $55.0 11 1.6 L d 1.8 unknown dates 6/78
markings 00 price axle ratio type hole open with 2 prongs
21 LH 06/70 $52.0 11 1.7 L d 1.8 KTM 1009-050-000 dates 11/76
17 LH 29/24 $55.0 11 1.7 L d 1.8 unknown dates 4/80
21 LH 06/61 $55.0 11 1.8 L d 1.8 unknown dates 1/77 7/71
21LHRH17/17$60.0 11 1.6 LRdb 1.8 Batavus 42.138 dates 2/77 3/78
16 LH 032/1 none 11 1.6 LRdb 1.8 Batavus 42.365 dates 4/78
markings 00 price axle ratio type hole shielded with 2 prongs
17 LH 31/17 $65.0 11 1.7 L d 1.8 Hercules dates 4/78 11/79
21 RV 023/1 $52.0 11 1.7 R d 1.8 Puch dates 5/77 7/77 10/77 4/78 12/78
17 RV 031/5 none 11 1.7 R d 1.8 Puch dates 7/78 8/78
23 LH 023/5 $52.0 11 1.6 L d 1.8 Sparta 06008 dates 11/74 12/76 7/77 4/78
markings 00 price axle ratio type hole aftermarket with 2 prongs
AE-88 00000 $20.0 12 1.7 R b 1.8 Puch greased, photo below, sold “as is”
Markings: The brass end caps on VDO speedo drivers are marked with the tire or rim that they are geared for. 1970’s metal drivers are marked with the tire outer diameter (23, 22, 21, 20). 1980’s plastic drivers are marked with the rim size (19, 18, 17, 16). The tire OD’s are 4 inches more than the rim sizes, because moped tires are about 2 inches tall.
Batch marking: The marking that looks like a gear ratio is not. It’s some kind of batch number.
Tire marking: On some (21LH 6/61 and 23LH 23/5) the tire size marking disagrees with the measured gear ratio.
Gear ratio: The red colored ratios are from direct measurement. Black colored ratios are inferred.
Side: Most (10 of 14) VDO speedo drivers are for the left side. Some (2 of 14) are for right side. Some (2 of 14) are for left or right side. On those the cable can attach in two places with opposite rotation.
AE-88 driver, greased by a modified syringe
Greasing: The 70’s metal VDO speedo drivers had a grease zerk, but the 80’s plastic ones did not. One way to grease them without a grease gun or zerk is with spray chain lube. It penetrates in thin and then soon becomes thick. Another way is with a 5cc syringe and a 10-1.00 x 15 tall nut (for a Peugeot moped flywheel).
2c. VDO Speedo Cables
00 head M driver head driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole end end
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 1.8 1.8 1.75 1.75 VDO-1.8/1.8
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 2.0 1.8 1.95 1.75 VDO-2.0/1.8
conduit 00 lower end upper end price VDO-1.8/1.8
570=22.4″ 1.75-1.78 1.75-1.78 $17.0 silver original
570=22.4″ 1.75-1.78 1.75-1.78 28-17 42.137 0000 Batavus VA, HS50
590=23.2″ 1.75-1.78 1.75-1.78 28-17 black original
630=24.8″ 1.75-1.78 1.75-1.78 28-17 328.153.0250 Puch Maxi original
625=24.6″ 1.70-1.75 1.70-1.75 none MP-3150 000 80’s Taiwan
640=25.2″ 1.75-1.78 1.75-1.78 $28.0 black original
700=27.6″ 1.70-1.75 1.70-1.75 $20.0 MP-3154 000 80’s Taiwan
750=29.5″ 1.75-1.78 1.75-1.78 $20.0 UN12006 000 Magnum XK, Sears FS red
750=29.5″ 1.65-1.70 1.65-1.70 $18.0 D. PuchVDO 2010’s replacement
790=31.1″ 1.70-1.75 1.70-1.75 none A. 217.664 00 Tomos ’03-on, Magnum MkII
790=31.1″ 1.70-1.75 1.70-1.75 $22.0 B. MP-3152 0 ground to 3.3, Sears FS silver
790=31.1″ 1.80-1.85 1.80-1.85 $22.0 C. evenbetter ground to 3.3, ends 1.75
830=32.7″ 1.75-1.78 1.75-1.78 $25.0 27.78.96 00 Kreidler (longer than necessary)
850=33.5″ 1.75-1.78 1.75-1.78 $20.0 UN12017 00x modern replacement
conduit 00 lower end upper end price VDO-2.0/1.8
780=30.7″ 1.75-1.79 1.90-1.95 $29.0 0A0.165.0021 Derbi Variant Sport ’86-89
A. 790 217664 2010’s Tomos, white area needs grinding 4.0 to 3.3
B. 790 MP-3152 ’80’s Gadabout, driver end needs grinding 4.0 to 3.3
C. 790 evenbetter ’20’s replacement, needs grinding 4.0⇒3.3, 1.82⇒1.75
D. 750 PuchVDO ’10’s replacement, ends 1.65-1.70
E. 750 PuchVDO ’10’s replacement, ends 1.50-1.60 (too small)
3. Huret
00 head M driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 2.0 2.75 Huret-2.0/2.7
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 2.75 2.75 Huret-2.7/2.7
Huret-2.7/2.7 speedo family is on US models of Arciero, Bianchi (some), Demm (some), Garelli, Gitane, Motobecane, Negrini (some), Pacer, Snark (some), Velomec.
The speedometers in this family have a white face.
Huret-2.0/2.7 speedo family is on some US model mopeds but not many.
The speedometers in this family have a black face.
3a. Huret Speedometers
1. Huret-2.7 Motobecane, 2. Huret-2.7 60mm round MMI #H125F for Garelli. 3. Huret-2.0 60mm round, 4. Huret-2.7 48mm round
Good-used Huret-2.7 Motobecane speedos, unfrozen, lubed, and tested.
Long term testing: These were unfroze with acetone and re-lubricated with Tri-Flow. Then they sat on a parts shelf for four years in zip-lock bags. After that long, none had become stuck/frozen.
Huret-2.7 Motobecane speedometers: The cover is glass, so it resists scratching. Repeated exposure to sunlight fades the white background to yellow and the blue numbers to white. When the numbers are faded out the needle is still red, so speed can be estimated, like telling time on a clock with no numbers.
# price miles all are working normally unless noted
1 $80 1780 excellent condition, works good
2 $70 5261 dark numbers, works good
3 $45 2024 barely visible numbers, works good
4 $40 7365 invisible numbers, works good
5 $35 5337 completely invisible numbers, works good
Good-used Huret-2.7 60 mm speedos, unfrozen, lubed, and tested.
Speed Testing: A hand drill was set to spin at a constant speed (by a stop screw in the trigger). Each speedo was spun for 30-50 seconds. The final speed was recorded.
Huret-2.7 60mm round speedometers: The test speeds all agreed quite well. These have great dampening, no jumping unless noted. The clear cover is glass, not plastic. So it does not get dull or scratched.
# price miles all are working normally unless noted
1 $60 2291 test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
2 $50 1827 test speed 22, needle moves nice, not jumpy
3 $65 1036 test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
4 $25 1535 test speed 21, jumps around sometimes
5 $35 2750 test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
6 $55 7332 test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
7 $70 0538 test speed 21, needle moves nice, not jumpy
8 $45 4720 test speed 20, needle moves nice, not jumpy
3b. Huret Speedo drivers
markings price axle side type depth 2.7 hole, 1 finger
20″ D 1.6 $42.0 11 L d 7.0 506361.7381
16 or 17 Garelli dates 1780 with stepped axle spacers
20″ D 1.6 $48.0 11 L d 6.0 507252.7381
2.25-16 Garelli dates 2877 0478 with stepped spacers
20″ D 1.6 $35.0 11 L d 3.2 H127F 00000
16 or 17 spoke dates 2877
23″ D 1.8 $42.0 11 L d 3.2 H127/2K
2.50-19 Negrini KPN dates 1075
markings price axle side type depth 2.7 hole, 2 prong
20″ D 1.6 $59.0 11 R b 3.2 H127FM 000
2.25-16 mag wheel dates 1780
markings price axle side type depth 2.7 hole, 2 finger
23″ D 1.8 $50.0 11 L d 4.0 17360 00000
2.25-17 Motobecane 40, 50 dates 4176 1577 1777 2578 2778
20″ D 1.6 none 11 L d 4.0 01494 00000
2.00-16 Motobecane Model 7
Greasing with a modified syringe
Preparation: All of these Huret drivers were initially frozen, tarry on the inside. Some were also tarry on the outside. Scroll down for the detailed procedure for unfreezing, cleaning and lubing. All of those listed for sale have been serviced and are ready for use.
Reversible: Most of these Huret speedo drivers are reversible. They can be used on either side of the bike, because the cable can attach to either end, resulting in opposite rotation. Most are on the left side. All have to rotate the cable clockwise, viewed from above the speedometer.
3c. Huret Speedo cables
00 head M driver head driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole end end
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 2.0 2.75 1.9 2.6 Huret-2.0/2.7
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 2.75 2.75 2.6 2.6 Huret-2.7/2.7
0 part# 000 conduit lower end upper end price Huret 2.7/2.7
UN12018 00 570 22.4″ 2.56-2.63 2.56-2.63 $19 silver modern replacement
502951.7386 570 22.4″ 2.65-2.72 2.65-2.72 none black orig on Garelli early 70’s
18222 00000 570 22.4″ 2.52-2.55 2.52-2.55 $42 silver orig on Motobecane 50, 40, 7
191 0000000 575 22.6″ 2.60-2.65 2.60-2.65 $23 black modern replacement
H-126FB 000 575 23.6″ 2.60-2.65 2.60-2.65 none 80’s Taiwan 600 total
506961.7386 620 24.4″ 2.65-2.72 2.65-2.72 $35 black orig on Garelli (many)
H-126F 0000 625 24.6″ 2.60-2.65 2.60-2.65 $37 80’s Taiwan 650 total
507607.7386 720 28.4″ 2.65-2.72 2.65-2.72 $45 black orig on Garelli (many)
UN12191 00 810 31.9″ 2.55-2.60 2.55-2.60 $38 black orig on Avanti
0 part# 000 conduit lower end upper end price Huret-2.0/2.7
31 0460 444 570 22.4″ 2.55-2.60 1.78-1.82 $35 black orig, 1.8-to-2.6 adapter
31 0460 444 570 22.4″ 1.78-1.82 1.78-1.82 $20 same but missing lower adapter
H-126AF 000 695 27.4″ 2.43-2.48 1.80-1.85 $30 80’s Taiwan 720 total, wire inverted
4. Veglia
00 head M driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 2.75 2.75 Veglia-2.7/2.7
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 2.0 2.0 Veglia-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75 M10-1.00 2.0 2.0 Veglia-2.0/2.0-Peugeot recessed
Veglia-2.7/2.7 and Veglia-2.0/2.7 speedo families are on US model mopeds, Baretta (some), Benelli, Concord, 80’s Cosmo (some), Demm (some), Fantic (some), Malaguti (some), Moto Guzzi, Motron (some), Testi (some) and Vespa-Piaggio (some).
Veglia-2.0/2.0-Peugeot speedo family is on Peugeot 102, 103.
4a. Veglia Speedometers
1. Veglia-2. diam Veglia# 0 part# on US-model mopeds:
1. Veglia-2.7 60 61-47541 307168 ’78-83 Vespa Grande (no blinkers)
2. Veglia-2.7 60 61-00000 183314 ’79-85 Vespa Si
3. Veglia-2.7 48 61-47282 155587 ’74-80 Vespa Ciao, Bravo
4. Veglia-2.0 60 61-47531 1200M ’77-80 Baretta, Malaguti
5. Veglia-2.0 48 61-47551 000000 ?
Veglia-Peugeot Speedometers
Veglia-Peugeot speedometer 60mm #56315
4b. Veglia Speedo drivers
Vespa# Veglia# price hole axle ratio side type conduit screws in
114744 50-1024 $33 2.75 11 1.73 R d 2.00-17 Vespa Ciao spoke
114744 50-1024 $34 2.75 11 1.73 R d 2.50-16 Vespa Si 4-ray mag
141303 50-1210 $52 2.75 11 1.64 R d 2.25-16 Vespa Bravo
306937 50-1224 $55 2.75 12 1.73 L b 2.50-17 Vespa Grande spoke
307300 50-1222 $45 2.75 12 1.73 R b 2.50-17 Vespa Grande x-mag
MMI# Veglia# price hole axle ratio side type conduit screws in
1202M 50-1026 $34 2.00 11 1.64 L d 2.25-16 Baretta, Malaguti
Peugeot# eglia# price hole axle ratio side type conduit slides on
46709 00-0000 $23 2.00 11 1.73 R d 2.25-17 Peugeot
Derbi# Veglia# price hole axle ratio side type conduit slides on
00000 80-7550 $40 2.00 12 1.73 R d 2.50-17 Derbi ’76-86
Ratio: Some Veglia drivers are marked with the gear teeth ratio, 18/11 = 1.64 or 19/11 = 1.73.
4c. Veglia Speedo Cables
00 head M driver head driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole end end
M11-0.75 M00-1.00 2.75 2.75 2.60 2.60 Veglia-2.7/2.7
M11-0.75 M00-1.00 2.0 2.0 1.95 1.95 Veglia-2.0/2.0
M11-0.75 M00-1.00 2.0 2.0 1.95 1.95 Veglia-2.0/2.0-Peugeot recessed
Vespa# 0 conduit 0 lower end upper end price Veglia-2/7/2.7
114745 000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65 2.55-2.65 none Ciao C7N $16 for 114746 wire only
158135 000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65 2.55-2.65 $34.0 C7E, C7V $16 for 097755 wire only
213466 000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65 2.55-2.65 none Ciao P,PX N/A for 213467 wire only
162125 000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65 2.55-2.65 $34.0 Bravo xxx $16 for 162126 wire only
307192 000=00.0″ 2.55-2.65 2.55-2.65 $30.0 Grande (no blinkers)
MMI# 0 conduit 0 lower end upper end price Veglia-2.0/2.0
1201M 650=25.6″ 1.90-1.95 1.90-1.95 $35.0 80’s MMI
1201M 0 670=26.4″ 1.90-1.95 1.90-1.95 $39.0 Baretta, Malaguti
1201AM 720=28.3″ 1.90-1.95 1.90-1.95 none 80’s MMI
1201BM 790=31.0″ 1.90-1.95 1.90-1.95 none 80’s MMI
Peugeot# conduit 0 lower end upper end price Veglia-2.0/2.0 Peugeot
52732 0 655=25.8″ 1.93-1.97 1.93-1.97 $24.0 original Peugeot 102, 103
60562 0 690=27.2″ 1.93-1.97 1.93-1.97 none Peugeot 103SP, TSM (longer)
02860 0 710=28.5″ 1.87-1.90 1.72-1.74 $18.0 modern replacement (725 total)
5. Walker
00 head M driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 1.8 1.8 Walker
VDO-Derbi (Walker 60mm) speedometers with Veglia-Derbi drivers are on Derbi mopeds 1974-85.
5a. VDO-Derbi Speedometers (Walker)
Derbi speedometers are made in Spain by Walker, under license by VDO.
VDO-Derbi #000.501.6010 on all US models 1976-85
# miles price condition
1 10447 $60.0 new cond test=16.5mph, worked good flat rim original on TT
2 01953 $70.0 new cond test=16.0mph, worked good flat rim original on TT
3 05565 $30.0 fair cond test=16.0mph, worked good
4 03702 $30.0 fair cond test=17.0mph, worked good
5 01944 none good cond test=17.0mph, worked good
6 00038 $80.0 new cond test=16.5mph, worked good
7 00001 $90.0 new cond test=17.0mph, worked good
8 00124 none new cond test=16.5mph, worked good
9 00933 $55.0 good cond test=17.5mph, worked good shown with rubber visor ring
10 04376 $35.0 fair cond test=16.0mph, worked good
11 16748 $15.0 bad needle test=18.0mph, worked good shown with rubber visor ring
12 00000 $10.0 000.821.6830 rubber visor ring (optional)
5b. Veglia-Derbi Speedo drivers
5c. Derbi Speedo cables
0 MMI# 000.0000 conduit 0 lower end upper end price Derbi
0A0.163.0021 00 780 = 30.7″ 1.75-1.79 1.90-1.95 $47.0 Derbi Variant ’75-86
0A0.164.0021 00 800 = 31.5″ 1.75-1.79 1.90-1.95 none Derbi C5, RD50
Derbi SL, SLE, TT speedometer cables: Many Derbi speedometer cables have a kink below the speedometer that causes the inner wire to break repeatedly. The kink is from the back of the “pancake” headlight pushing the speedo cable back. There is no easy remedy. As with any speedometer cable, any kink or sudden change in direction will eventually cause the inner cable wire to break there, because as it rotates it is being bent back and forth.
6. Jawa
00 head M driver head driver
0 thread M thread hole hole
M10-1.00 M10-1.00 2.25 2.25 Jawa
Jawa speedometers are on 1973-83 Jawa 207 (Babetta) mopeds.
6a. Jawa Speedometers
Jawa #14002, 48mm
6b. Jawa Speedo drivers
6c. Jawa Speedo cables
0 part# 00 conduit 0 lower end upper end price Jawa
07-4780 495=19.5″ 2.05-2.15 2.05-2.15 $18 silver Jawa 207 original
7. Tatung
Tatung speedometers are on US models of 1970’s-80’s Taiwan-made mopeds, Clinton, General, Grycner, Jui Li, Indian, others and 1970’s Taiwan-made motorcycles, Indian, and Korean-made Trac.
8. Nippon Seiki
Nippon Seiki speedometers are on Honda NC50, PA50 and others.
9. Stewart Warner
Stewart Warner speedometer is on Murray mopeds, mounted inside a Peterson bullet-type headlight.
10. Service Info
Basic troubleshooting: Either the speedometer or odometer can work without the other, but the both need the cable and driver to be working. So if both speed and miles don’t work, it’s usually caused by a broken or slipping cable, and sometimes a broken or slipping driver. If either the speed or miles works, then then both the cable and driver must be good.
Stuck solid (frozen): Old speedometers become frozen where the cable enters. The grease there becomes sticky after many years. That causes the cable to break, or sometimes the driver. That is the main reason why 35 year old mopeds often have broken speedo cables. The other reason is the cable gets kinked. Speedometer drivers also become frozen after many years.
Unfreezing speedometers is done with drops of acetone and a modified allen wrench with a square end. Once the cable square hole can turn, it takes days or weeks and dozens of repeated applications of penetrating oil and rotation on a drill, before all of the stickiness is gone. If any stickiness is left behind, it can re-freeze a year later.
Unfreezing drivers: See below for the detailed procedure that involves soaking in acetone.
Greasing drivers: Most 70’s metal speedo drivers had a grease zerk, but most 80’s plastic ones did not. One way to grease them without a grease gun or zerk is with spray chain lube. It penetrates in thin and then soon becomes thick. Another way is with a 5cc syringe and a 10-1.00 x 15 tall nut (for a Peugeot moped flywheel).
modified syringe greaser
10a. Speedometer Tools
A. Acetone in a drip bottle with thin spout, for dissolving tar. Acetone is a powerful solvent that dissolves ink, tar, and paint. It penetrates into soft materials like rubber and vinyl, causing them to swell, distort, and become weaker. Lacquer thinner and MEK are similar to acetone.
B. Tri Flow drip lubricant, for applying drops of oil. It contains banana oil and microscopic Teflon spheres.
C. 1.7mm cable end bent. This is for counting revolutions when measuring gear ratio on 1.8-hole drivers.
D. 1.9mm cable end straight. This is for spinning 2.0-hole speedos on a drill.
E. Modified allen wrench, ground to a 1.9mm square on the small end. This is for applying torque to a stuck 2.0-hole speedo, and for rotating back and forth once it is able to move, or around and around if it’s able to move in circles.
F. Tapered square end shaft, for spinning 2.7-hole speedos with a drill.
G. Modified allen wrench, ground to a 2.6mm square on the small end. This is for applying torque to a stuck 2.7-hole speedo, and for rotating back and forth once it is able to move, or around and around if it’s able to move in circles.
H. Small screwdriver for rotating 2.7-hole speedos.
I. Greaser made from a 5 cc syringe and a M10-1.0 x 15 hex15 tall-thin nut (for a Peugeot flywheel). It was pure luck that the nut threaded tightly onto the smooth, tapered plastic spout. Of course, this is only for M10-1.0 thread speedo drivers, which fortunately is the majority.
10b. Unfreezing Huret speedo drivers
1970’s Huret speedometers and drivers become frozen (stuck solid) after 40 years. Other kinds do also but not as much. Even new speedos and driver become frozen, because the Huret grease decomposes into hard sticky tar. Out of a sample of 30 new and 10 used 70’s Huret speedo drivers, all were frozen solid.
Speedo drivers soaking in acetone
Ten frozen Huret speedo drivers were soaked in acetone in this sealed glass jar. After 17 hours they were removed and tested. 8 out of 10 were able to move, but 2 were still stuck solid. Those 2 were re-soaked with a new batch of frozen ones.
Acetone breaks down hard insoluble tar that is like taffy, and makes it less sticky and more soluble in diesel fuel or gasoline. When first removed from a day of soaking in acetone, the tar would ooze out like warm peanut butter when compressed air was applied to the cable hole. But after 20 minutes, that same peanut butter re-solidified, as the acetone evaporated out of it. So they need to go into the diesel fuel bath right after the acetone bath, rather than drying out first. They also need rotation to spread the solvent to all areas, like stirring.
The 8 unfroze drivers were then soaked in diesel fuel along with 7 others that did not need an acetone bath. The diesel fuel dissolves the loosened tar visible on the outside, as well as some soluble tar on the inside. After 2 days of soaking, 11 out of 15 moved freely, but 4 were still sticky. Those 4 were returned to the acetone bath pickle jar. The rest were brushed, cleaned and then blow dried with compressed air.
While waiting to be greased, 1 of the 11 drivers refroze and 2 became sticky, as acetone evaporated from the grease inside. Those 3 were returned to the pickle jar of acetone.
Greasing with a modified syringe
The remaining 8 clean and free drivers were greased with a modified syringe, made from a 5 cc syringe and a 10-1.00 x 15 tall nut (for a Peugeot moped flywheel). Each driver took 0.2 to 0.6 cc of lithium grease. The syringe has to be squeezed really hard with both hands. The grease goes in slowly. The gears are rotated in between squeezes to spread out the grease. Soon the old black grease and solvent oozes out from the thin gaps, like on the left driver in the above photo. The feel goes from gritty to greasy as the new grease pushes out solvent and grit.
The last step was straitening the fingers as needed, with a needle-nose pliers.
17 stuck drivers became 8 ready to use drivers. For the other 9 the entire process was repeated, as many times as necessary. This is how new and used 1970’s Huret (and others) speedo drivers are refurbished in preparation for sale.