Indian AMI-50 Chief Owners Manual
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Indian Engine Parts
December 13, 2020
updated 2024-05
Indian AMI-50 Chief Engine Parts
Contents:
1. Cylinder and Head
1a. Carburetor
2. Clutch and Cover
3. Valves and Cam
4. Transmission
5. Piston and Crank
6. Case and Magneto
The 1978 Parts Book has better illustrations than the later ones. So the 1978 pictures are used here. There are no suffixes a, b, c, etc on any item numbers. So there was only one version of every part. There was no carburetor parts section (Tillotson).
The 1979 Parts Book had some parts that came in two versions. They had an A or B after the item number, such as the carb, intake pipe, fork, fork lock and battery. Some of the 1978 item numbers changed in the 1979 and later parts manuals. There was no carburetor parts section (Tillotson or Keihin).
The 07-1979 Parts Book had some parts that came in three versions. They had an A B or C after the item number, such as the carb, intake pipe and magneto. There was no carburetor parts section (Tillotson, Keihin or Mikuni). The page numbers were 1 to 36.
The 1980 Parts Book had some parts that came in four versions. They had an A B C or D after the item number, such as intake pipe. There was no carburetor parts section (Tillotson, Keihin or Mikuni). The page numbers were 1 to 36?
The 06-1981 Parts Supplement had the Keihin and Mikuni parts, the 79-later 2-coil magneto, and Mira mag wheel parts sections. The page numbers were 37 to 42. So it was a continuation of the previous books. It was a stack of pages to be inserted into the back of any parts manual.
Indian AMI-50 with Keihin PA-MOA carb
1. Cylinder and Head
OHV: This type is over head valve OHV, not over head cam OHC. Head or piston replacement is easier on OHV than on OHC, because the cam and cam chain are in the bottom, out of the way.
Heads: Indians have 2 types of cast iron cylinder heads, #3 black ’78-80 and 3d silver ’80-81. Head #3 has 33mm intake bolt spacing, while 3d has 35mm. Head 3d has a more side-facing flange angle. Head 3d has valve stem seals. Head 3 did not.
Pipes: Indians have 4 types of intake pipes, 4a, 4b, 4c, 4d. The first 3 are for head #3, and so have a 33mm lower bolt hole spacing. Pipe 4d is for head 3d, and so has a 35mm lower bolt hole spacing.
1. Cylinder and Head
# qty price Indian part# description
u00 1 $45.0 E000-00-50 engine gasket set
u01 1 $155 E110-00-50 cylinder new 0.007″gap
01u 1 $50.0 E110-00-50 cylinder used 0.018″gap
u02 1 $7.00 E910-00-50 cylinder base gasket
u03 1 $140. E120-00-50 head early black bare new
03u 1 $70.0 E120-00-50 head early black bare used
03d 1 none E120-50-50 head late silver bare new
04a 1 $48.0 E220-00-50 intake ’78 Tillotson 6×33 5×31
04b 1 none E220-20-50 intake 78-80 Keihin 6×33 6×32
04c 1 none E220-30-50 intake 78-80 Mikuni 6×33 ∅18
04d 1 $57.0 E220-50-50 intake 80-81 Mikuni 6×35 ∅18
04e 1 none E220-40-50 intake 80-81 Keihin 6×35 6×32
u05 1 $25.0 E911-00-50 cylinder head gasket
u06 1 $29.0 E130-00-50 valve cover bare
06u 1 $29.0 E130-00-50 valve cover assy used
u08 1 $17.0 E912-00-50 valve cover gasket
u09 1 $16.0 E160-00-50 decomp shaft/lever
u10 1 $9.00 E162-00-50 decomp shaft spring
u11 1 $8.00 E161-00-50 decomp bracket
12a 1 $14.0 E230-00-50 insulator Tillot. ∅5 x 31
12b 1 none E230-20-50 insulator Keihin ∅6 x 32
13a 2 none E920-00-50 i. gasket use 13b ∅5 x 31
13b 2 $2.50 E920-20-50 int. pipe gasket ∅6 x 32
13c 1 $4.00 E920-30-50 int. head gasket ∅6 x 33
13d 1 $4.00 E920-50-50 int. head gasket ∅6 x 35
13c 1 $4.00 13c, 13d are 13b with holes widened
13d 1 $4.00 by using a 1-hole paper punch ∅6
u14 1 $0.20 H106-00-50 washer M6
15a 1 none E163-00-50 circlip decomp 7mm
15b 1 $2.00 E163-10-50 substitute 6mm widened
u16 1 $3.00 E164-11-50 o-ring ∅1.5 x 5 (8 od)
u17 1 $1.00 H462-00-50 hex bolt M6 x 20
u18 2 $1.20 H467-10-50 hex bolt M6 x 71(70)
u19 1 $2.50 H461-00-50 hex bolt M6 x 100
u20 1 $2.50 H461-12-50 hex bolt M6x112(110)
u21 1 $1.00 H462-80-50 hex bolt M6 x 28(30)
u22 1 $1.00 H463-20-50 hex bolt M6 x 32(30)
u23 1 $1.20 H465-60-50 hex bolt M6 x 56(55)
u24 2 $2.00 H563-00-50 exhaust stud M6
25a 2 $2.00 H662-00-50 carb screw for Til. M5 x 55?
25b 2 $0.80 H662-20-50 carb screw for Kei. M6 x 20
26a 2 $1.00 H662-50-50 intake screw Til. M6 x 25
26b 2 $1.00 H662-20-50 intake screw Kei M6 x 20
u27 2 $3.00 E532-00-50 knock pin 8 x 12
Indian gasket set
Indian intake gaskets and heads
Black early head #3 for all three carbs.
Intake flange faces more back. Here with pipe #4a and Tillotson carb.
Black early head #3 for all three carbs.
Intake flange faces more back. Here with pipe #4b and Keihin carb.
Black early head #3 for all three carbs.
Intake flange faces more back. Here with pipe #4c and Mikuni carb.
Silver late head #3d for Mikuni carburetor.
Intake flange faces less back. Requires pipe #4d and Mikuni carb.
1a. Carburetor
Some 1978 Indians had a Tillotson “no-float” (12mm) carb, with choke lever on carb.
Some 1978, most 1979 had a Keihin PA-MOA (10mm) carb, with choke lever on carb.
Some ’79 and ’80, all 1981 had a Mikuni H9-10 (10mm) carb, choke lever on handlebar.
Tillotson Carburetor Parts (none)
Info on parts and service is now offered in the Carburetor/Mikuni and Tillotson section.
Keihin Carburetor Parts
Most Keihin carburetor parts for Indian are now offered in the Carburetor/Keihin section.
Mikuni Carburetor Parts
Some Mikuni carburetor parts for Indian are now offered in Carburetor/Mikuni and Tillotson.
2. Cover and Clutch
2. Cover and Clutch photo courtesy of cmsnl.com
# qty price Indian part# description
u01 1 none E511-00-50 right case cover
u02 1 $10.0 E930-00-50 clutch cover gasket
u03 1 $3.00 E314-00-50 sprocket distance collar
u04 1 $10.0 E537-00-50 dip stick
u05 1 $65.0 E310-00-50 drum & drive gear ??T
u06 1 $7.00 E315-00-50 clutch center guide
u07 1 none E312-00-50 starter friction plate
u08 1 none E313-00-50 clutch assembly
u8a 2 $6.00 E313-10-50 clutch spring
u8b 2 $1.50 E313-20-50 clutch e-clip 6mm
u8c 2 none E313-30-50 clutch shoe
u8d 1 none E313-40-50 clutch hub
u09 1 $12.0 E311-00-50 ball retainer
u10 1 none T108-54-50 driven gear 54T
u11 1 none T117-00-50 engage slider shaft
u12 1 none E534-00-50 engage lever knob
u13 1 $2.00 H214-00-50 clutch nut M14x1
u14 1 $3.00 H114-00-50 lock washer M14 spec
u15 1 $7.00 H117-00-50 thrust washer 17.1-22.8-1.0
u16 1 none E153-00-50 engage washer 5 x 30
u17 3 $0.50 E316-00-50 starter balls Ø7.9 = 5/16″
u18 1 $5.00 E535-00-50 engage shaft seal 5x30x6
u19 1 $1.00 E536-00-50 dip stick o-ring
u20 2 $0.80 H662-00-50 phillips bolt M6 x 20
u21 2 $1.00 H662-50-50 phillips bolt M6 x 25
u22 1 $1.00 H663-20-50 phillips bolt M6 x 32(30)
u23 5 $1.00 H667-50-50 phillips bolt M6 x 75
u24 1 $1.20 H668-50-56 phillips bolt M6 x 85
u25 2 $3.00 E532-00-50 knock pin 8 x 12
1. Trans, clutch, cam parts 2. Clutch Parts
3. Valves and Camshaft
3. Valves and Cam
# qty price Indian part# description
u01 1 none E405-00-50 oil pump bush 17.5mm
u02 2 none E406-00-50 set plate for bush
u03 1 $55.0 E401-00-50 cam w/sprocket 30T
u05 1 $16.0 E403-00-50 cam chain #25 x 42L
u06 2 none E416-00-50 push rod ∅4.5 x 139
u07 2 $7.00 E417-00-50 rocker arm
u08 2 $5.00 E418-00-50 rocker arm pivot
u09 1 none E404-00-50 chain tensioner
u10 1 none E407-00-50 tensioner spring
u11 1 $15.0 E410-11-50 int. valve (same as ex)
11a 1 $17.0 14711-081-020 Honda int. valve
u12 1 $22.0 E410-12-50 ex. valve (same as in)
12a 1 $25.0 14721-081-020 Honda ex. valve
u13 2 $8.00 E411-00-50 lifter
u14 2 $8.00 E412-00-50 valve spring
u15 2 $2.00 E413-00-50 valve spring retainer
u16 4 none E414-00-50 valve keeper (cotter)
u17 1 none E415-00-50 push rod guide plate
u18 1 none E430-00-50 oil pump inner rotor
u19 1 none E431-00-50 oil pump outer rotor
u20 1 none E432-00-50 oil pump shaft A
u21 1 none E433-00-50 oil pump shaft B
u22 2 $5.00 E419-00-50 rocker bolt M6-0.50
u23 2 $8.00 E420-00-50 lock nut M6-0.50 x 4
u24 1 $0.20 H106-00-50 washer M6
u25 1 none E434-00-50 oil pump washer
u26 1 $2.00 H161-70-50 wide washer M6 x 17
u27 1 $0.80 H661-20-50 phillips bolt M6 x 12
u28 2 none H661-40-50 phillips bolt M6 x 14
u29 1 $0.80 H661-50-50 phillips bolt M6 x 16
u30 1 $4.00 A610-23-50 spark plug NGK C7HSA
u30 1 $4.00 A610-23-60 hotter plug NGK C6HSA
u31 2 $7.00 E511-00-50 valve seal only for head 3d
u32 2 $7.00 E510-00-50 seal cup only for head 3d
1. Head #3d with seals 2. Head and valve parts
Valve seals are for #3d head only
No valve guides: Both the head #3 ’78-80 and the head #3d ’80-81 have no replaceable valve guides, just precision holes and spring seats cut into the solid cast iron. When the holes get worn the whole head has to be replaced.
No valve seals: Head #3 did not have valve seals #31 or cups #32. It had no facility for holding valve seals. Indian engines with un-worn valve stem holes do not need seals. Indian’s mid-70’s relatives Honda PF50 and QR50 did not have them. But old engines with worn valve holes do need seals. Oil creeps down the valve stem, and is then burned. Burned 4-stroke oil smells, smokes, and blackens spark plugs.
Valve seals: Only the later ’80-81 head #3d had valve seals. The built-in valve guides outer diameter was reduced from 9.9 to 9.0 mm to allow a thin seal cup to fit inside the lower end of the 10.0 mm ID valve spring.
4. Transmission Shafts
4. Transmission shafts
# qty price Indian part# description
u01 1 none T101-00-50 main shaft
u02 1 none T102-00-50 counter shaft
u03 1 $19.0 T110-15-50 sprocket 15T used
03a 1 $24.0 T110-16-50 bigger sprocket 16T
03b 1 $140 T110-14-50 smaller sprocket 14T
03c 1 none T110-11-50 smallest sprocket 11T
u04 1 none T103-00-50 engage push pin
u05 1 none T104-00-50 engage coil spring
u06 1 $15.0 T111-29-50 pedal ratchet sprocket
u07 1 $40.0 T105-00-50 pedal shaft
u09 2 $4.00 T106-00-50 pedal ratchet pawl
u10 2 $4.00 T107-00-50 pawl spring
u11 2 $7.00 H117-00-50 thrust washer 17.1-22.8-1.0
u12 1 $2.00 H115-00-50 push pin disk Ø14.8 x 1.7
u13 4 $1.50 H120-00-50 pedal washer Ø20 x 30?
u14 3 none T114-00-50 seal 20x30x6
u14 3 $6.50 T114-subst. seal 20x30x5
u15 5 $1.00 T115-10-50 circlip (snap ring) 20-outer
u16 1 $1.00 T115-20-50 circlip (snap ring) 10-inner
u17 1 $8.00 T116-00-50 bearing 6004, 20x42x12
White ratchet “springs” and trans parts.
Indian pedal ratchet pawl springs, early spring steel leaf type, often broke. That caused the pedals to freewheel both ways, but the engine could still be push-started. The upgrade springs for 1979-later were silicone rubber. The good thing is those never break. The bad thing is the pedal chain and ratcheting sprocket are trapped in the center of the engine cases, and cannot be serviced without engine removal and complete disassembling, with splitting of the crankcases.
Indian front sprockets fit on many small Honda models, like early Honda 90, but not early Honda 50. They have 6 splines, 17mm inner by 20mm outer diameter. A normal Indian goes 27mph with a 15 tooth. With more power it could go 29mph with a 16T. With less power, or with quicker take-off, it could go 25mph with a 14T.
5. Piston and Crankshaft
5. Piston and crankshaft
# qty price Indian part# description
u01 1 none E600-00-50 crankshaft complete
u02 1 $39.0 E660-00-50 ring set std 42.00
02a 1 $39.0 E660-10-50 ring set 1os 42.25
02b 1 none E660-20-50 ring set 2os 42.50
02c 1 none E660-30-50 ring set 3os 42.75
02d 1 none E660-40-50 ring set 4os 43.00
u03 1 $48.0 E650-00-50 pist bare std 42.00
03a 1 $48.0 E650-10-50 pist bare 1os 42.25
03b 1 none E650-20-50 pist bare 2os 42.50
03c 1 none E650-30-50 pist bare 3os 42.75
03d 1 none E650-40-50 pist bare 4os 43.00
03x 1 none 6131 piston complete std 42.00
3xa 1 none 6132 piston complete 1os 42.25
3xb 1 none 6133 piston complete 2os 42.50
3xc 1 none 6134 piston complete 3os 42.75
3xd 1 none 6135 piston complete 4os 43.00
u04 1 $12.0 E651-00-50 piston pin ∅13 x 33
u05 2 $2.00 E652-00-50 piston pin clip ∅13
u06 1 none E601-00-50 con. rod w/pin
u07 1 none E602-00-50 roller retainer cage
u08 1 none E603-10-50 right half of crank
u09 1 none E603-20-50 left half of crank
u10 1 none E604-00-50 crank pin
u11 1 $12.0 E610-15-50 timing sprocket 15T
u12 1 none E605-00-50 sprocket pin ∅? x ?
u13 1 $7.00 E606-00-50 flywheel key 3x4.6×12.2
u14 20 none E607-00-50 rod bearing roller 2.5×8.5
u15 1 $7.00 E611-00-50 L crank seal 15x25x6
u16 1 $10.0 E608-00-50 L bearing 6202 15x35x11
u17 1 $9.00 E609-00-50 R bearing 6203 17x40x12
Cylinder, piston, rings
6. Case and AC generator
There were two types, made in Taiwan by WTEMCO.
1978-79 had a 3-wire, 4-coil (3 for lights, 1 for ignition)
1980-81 had a 3-wire, 2-coil (1 for lights, 1 for ignition)
6. Case and Dynamo
# qty price Indian part# description
u01 1 none E512-00-50 right case half
u02 1 $6.00 E931-00-50 case center gasket
u03 1 none E513-00-50 left case half
u04 1 none E521-00-50 dynamo cover maybe Sachs?
u05 1 $14.0 D110-00-50 3-piece points M19A
u06 1 none D111-00-50 felt wiper
u07 1 $1.20 D112-00-50 points screw M4x10 phillips
u08 1 $0.20 D113-00-50 lock washer M4
u09 1 $0.20 D114-00-50 washer M4
u10 1 none D115-00-50 ignition coil 4C blue
10a 1 none D115-10-50 ignition coil 2C blue
u11 1 none D120-00-50 magneto 4C (4-coil)
11a 1 $240 D120-10-50 magneto 2C (2-coil)
11b 1 $120 D120-stator stator assy WTEMCO
u12 1 $140 D117-00-50 flywheel WTEMCO
u13 1 none D116-00-50 ltg coils (3) 4C lt grn+yel
13a 1 none D116-10-50 lighting coil 2C lt grn+yel
u14 1 none D118-00-50 rubber grommet
u15 1 none D119-00-50 clamp for cord
u16 1 none E538-00-50 sealing bolt M8x15
u17 1 $2.00 H210-00-50 flywheel nut M10-1.25
u18 1 $1.00 E553-00-50 seal washer M12
u19 1 $0.20 H000-00-50 washer M8
u20 1 $1.00 D121-00-50 flywheel washer 10x?
u21 1 $5.00 E531-00-50 drain plug M12-1.5×15
u22 4 $0.50 H000-00-50 coil bolt M4 x 22(23) slot
u23 3 $1.20 H000-00-50 case bolt M6x36(35) phil
u24 1 $2-$1 H000-00-50 case bolt M6 x 45 phil
u25 4 $3.00 E532-00-50 knock pin 8 x 12mm
u26 1 none D122-00-50 back plate for 4-coil
26a 1 none E122-00-50 back plate for 2-coil
u27 1 $12.0 H000-00-50 condenser M36
u28 3 $0.80 H000-00-50 stator screws M4x15
Magneto and ignition parts
Indian 4-coil Magneto
Indian 2-coil Magneto
The WTEMCO magneto is similar to a 90mm Bosch magneto, like on Puch mopeds. The points, condenser are Bosch compatible. The original points are the older style 3-piece kind, identified by the e-clip. By removing the screw-in post, newer style one-piece Bosch points will replace the older 3-piece ones. The WTEMCO flywheel timing angle is close to Tomos, which is different than Puch.
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History
The history of the original Indian motorcycle began in 1897. Read Mark Daniels excellent article “The Fall”, the full history of Indian, at http://www.icenicam.ukfsn.org/articles5/art0084.html. This is the best Indian History article ever!
History of the Indian Four Stroke Moped: Around 1977 American Moped Associates (AMA) purchased the Indian trademark from bankruptcy court for $10,000.
Indian Info Sheet from 2002
AMA designed the frame, bought the tooling and rights from Honda, and got Merida to produce it.
1975-77 Honda PC50K1
later OHV engine
(not overhead cam)
same engine as Indian
Excerpt from Mark Daniels “The Fall” article: Across the East China Sea in Japan, Honda had decided to discontinue its old four-stroke mopeds and replace these with new two-stroke models. Following a 10-year production run, the PC50-K1 was pensioned off in February 1977 … but the engine design and a number of cycle ancillary components were licensed on to AMA to manufacture again at their Merida factory in Taiwan. The result was the Indian AMI–50 ‘Chief’, which first appeared on sale in 1978. Now it’s fairly obvious there are some people who’re going to say this is just a PC50 come back to haunt us, but it’s really not! The engine is clearly a mirror design, but absolutely everything has been re-made, and not a single original Japanese Honda PC50 component or fitment has been employed. It’s a completely new motor manufactured to the licensed blueprint, and everything is different.
Leone Accessories Catalog Jan 1982
More about early 1970’s Honda PF50 and PC50 versions is here: http://www.geocities.ws/motorcity/9748/pf50_eng_general.html
American Moped Associates had many accessories made with the Indian name, Indian saddlebags, Indian tools, Indian batteries, Indian carburetor cleaner, Indian cable locks, Indian shirts, Indian belt buckles, Indian patches, Indian decals, Indian lighted signs, Indian banners, Indian bin box labels, even Indian tires (made by Cheng Shin), and the optional aluminum 8-ray wheels made in USA by Sport Mag II. AMA had planned a 2-speed transmission for the 1981 redesigned Indian mopeds, but it never came to be. American Moped Associates, at 1852 Langley Ave, Irvine CA 92714, sold out to Carmen Deleone and his Leone Accessories company in 1982.
Leone Accessories had Indian saddlebags, Indian boxes, Indian shirts, Indian belt buckles, Indian patches, Indian decals, and the optional aluminum 8-ray wheels made in USA by Sport Mag II. Carmen Deleone only bought American Moped out for the use of the Indian name, as the mopeds were sold down and not produced. That’s why there are no 1982 or later Indian mopeds. Leone Accessories, about a year later, acquired Derbi Motor Corporation of America (DMCA). See Derbi Parts for more info on that.
While the wholesale sales of Spanish made Derbi mopeds went well, DMCA’s plans for a new Indian moped and full size Indian motorcycle for 1984 failed miserably. A few Manco go-karts were sold with “Indian 4-stroke” stickers affixed. Then the Indian name was sold off. DMCA continued to import and distribute Derbi mopeds, made in Spain, to USA moped dealers, and to supply Indian moped parts and accessories until 1989-90.
1975 Merida MC100
This motocross bicycle fork looks like the moped fork.
Merida Indus
try Company was started in Yuanlin (Taiwan) in Sept 1972 by Ike Tseng (1932-2012). Ike was annoyed at the poor quality of Taiwan made bicycles in 1971. It was so bad that some American bike shops at the time refused to repair Taiwan bikes, because they would not stay fixed. Pedal hard and the pressed-together DNB rear 10-speed hub would twist, throwing the rim out of true. Much of the steel was soft and weak, so on threaded things, even normal tightening would strip the threads. Ike Tseng was smart enough, as both an engineer and a business person, and determined to improve the quality of Taiwan bicycles. He also had connections in the US. Who ever started American Moped Associates probably knew Ike Tseng and/or his high-quality-Taiwan-bicycle company.
Excerpt from http://www.merida.com/en_int/about-us-94.html, what “Merida” means, as told by Michael Tseng, current CEO and son of Ike Tseng: The man whose life motto was “move with passion and courage” chose the name “Merida” intentionally: The rough translation of the three syllables “Me-Ri-Da” means that the company’s intention is to manufacture only beautiful and high-quality products enabling anyone to reach her or his destination as pleasantly as possible.
Excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merida_Bikes: Merida Industry Co., Ltd (MIC) is a Taiwan-based bicycle design, manufacture, and sales company. It was started in 1972 by Ike Tseng. The original layout was based on the Raleigh Nottingham factory as Merida began by making Raleigh bikes for the North American market. Ike was a very talented engineer, and the company grew as a well-respected OE manufacturer making many well-respected brands. Ike died in January 2012, the company is now run by his son Michael Tseng.
Merida is a gl
obal player in bicycle design and manufacturing, making 2.2 million bicycles a year at 5 factories: 1 in Taiwan, 3 in China and 1 in Germany. As at 2012 the company is a public listed company on the Taiwanese stock exchange, quoted at approximately £350 million, making it one of Taiwan’s biggest companies.
1982 Merida MX280
BMX racing bicycle
Merida now produces mainly its own Merida-branded bikes, which are present in 67 countries around the world, or selected brands which it has a financial interest in, e.g. the German brand Centurion. In 2001, Merida bought 49% of Specialized for a reported US$30 million, although its CEO and founder Mike Sinyard remained majority owner.
Merida has been co-sponsor of the Multivan Merida Biking Team, with athletes such as Jose Hermida and Gunn-Rita Dahle Flesjå, and of bicycle racing events such as the TransUK and TransWales mountain bike races. Since 2004, the team has been scoring over 30 World Cup wins as well as Olympic gold and silver medals. In 2013 Merida became co-sponsors of the Pro-Tour Lampre-Merida road racing team.
Other Resources
Here is a link to a Moped Army forum with some Indian manuals, articles, brochures, and (maybe) parts sources:
http://www.mopedarmy.com/forums/read.php?1,232645,232645#msg-232645
Bing Magnum X
December 11, 2020
8. B I N G M A G N U M – X C A R B S
This carb size is 17 mm instead of 14 or 12. It looks like a Kreidler Bing, but is larger.
1. modern replica, identified by gold screws and nuts. 2. ’63 Sears Allstate Compact original with dark grey screws and nuts. 3. ’79 Puch Magnum X
Here 5 parts lists are combined into one, using 5 quantity columns.
1. 361.115.0000/90 ∅17 jet 90 Bing 1/17/54
on ’61-64 Allstate Sport 60 =Puch SM60
2. 361.115.0000?/?? ∅17 jet ?? Bing 1/17/??
on ’61-66 Allstate Compact =Puch DS60
3. 368.215.2000/80 ∅17 jet 80 Bing 1/17/??
on ’65-66 Sears Cheyenne =Puch SM60
4. 368.215.2000/?? ∅17 jet ?? Bing 1/17/89
on ’65-67 Sears Sabre =Puch VZ50M
5. 368.415.2000/84 ∅17 jet 84 Bing 1/17/169
on ’77-79 Puch Magnum X (E50 engine)
Left 1. ’61-64 Allstate Sport 60. Right 5. ’77-79 Puch Magnum X
12345 fig 361.1.15.000.0/90 price 1/17/xx carburetor
10000 00 361.1.15.000.0/90 none Bing 1/17/54 jet 90
01000 00 361.1.15.000.0?/??none Bing 1/17/?? jet ??
00100 00 368.2.15.200.0/80 none Bing 1/17/?? jet 80
00010 00 368.2.15.200.0/?? none Bing 1/17/89 jet ??
00001 00 368.4.15.200.0/84 none Bing 1/17/169 jet 84
11110 01 050.1520 000000 $4.00 adjuster M5 with nut
00001 02 337.115.1201 000 $2.00 cable boot Dellorto 1476A
11110 03 350.1.15.018.1 0 none cable pipe
00001 03 328.1.15.120.1 0 $5.00 cable adjuster
11111 04 26779 0000000 $2.50 lock nut M6-0.75
11111 05 362.1.15.019.2 0 $15.0 carb top good-used bare
11111 06 362.1.15.029.1 0 none carb top gasket
11111 07 362.1.15.031.1 0 $7.00 throttle spring Ø13 x 58
11111 08 362.1.15.014.1 0 $1.00 throttle washer Ø13 x 0.5
11111 09 362.1.15.013.1 0 $2.00 throttle needle clip
11000 10 362.1.15.016.1 0 none throttle needle 40mm
00111 10 368.1.15.816.1 0 none throttle needle 40mm 2-mark
11111 11 362.1.15.015.1 0 none throttle slide #2 Ø18.5
11111 12 362.1.15.001.2 0 none carb body bare
11111 13 362.1.15.024.1 0 $8.00 float bowl
11110 14 362.1.15.025.2 0 $16.0 float early not-slotted
00001 14 362.2.15.025.2 0 $15.0 float slotted
11110 15 362.1.15.026.1 0 $39.0 float needle metal tip
00001 15 362.2.15.026.1 0 $15.0 float needle rubber tip
11111 16 362.1.15.027.1 0 $4.00 float hinge pin
11111 17 362.1.15.028.1 0 $3.50 float gasket 45 x 41 x 1.5
00000 18 362.1.15.008.1/12 $15.0 needle jet 2.12A
00000 18 362.1.15.008.1/17 $15.0 needle jet 2.17
00001 18 362.1.15.008.1/20 none needle jet 2.20
00000 18 362.1.15.008.1/22 $8.00 needle jet 2.22
00000 19 362.1.15.009.1/79 $4.00 jet 3.5 generic #72 0.72 mm
00100 19 362.1.15.009.1/80 none jet 3.5 original #80 0.724 mm
00000 19 362.1.15.009.1/81 none jet 3.5 generic #73 0.73 mm
00000 19 362.1.15.009.1/82 $4.00 jet 3.5 generic #74 0.74 mm
00001 19 362.1.15.009.1/84 none jet 3.5 original #84 0.762 mm
10000 19 362.1.15.009.1/90 none jet 3.5 original #90 0.813 mm
11111 20 362.1.15.038.1 0 $12.0 fuel inlet
11111 21 900.3702 000000 $1.00 seal washer 8 x 12
11111 22 362.1.15.037.2 0 $15.0 fuel strainer
11111 23 362.1.15.063.1 0 none choke rod 29mm
11111 24 362.1.15.064.1 0 $15.0 choke rod clip
11111 25 362.1.15.065.1 0 $10.0 choke slide
22222 26 050.1535 000000 none top screw M5 x 10 thin not M4
22222 26 050.1535 000000 $2.00 substitute M5 x 10 thin shank
11111 27 362.1.15.011.1 0 none idle screw M6 x 0.75 not M5
11111 28 362.1.15.012.1 0 none idle screw spring
11111 29 126.1513 000000 none clamp screw M6 x 18 thin
11111 29 126.1513 000000 $3.00 clamp screw M6 x 20 thin
10100 32 368.1.15.033.1 0 none intake pipe SM60
10100 33 368.1.15.021.1 0 none intake spacer SM60
20200 34 368.1.15.022.1 0 none intake gasket SM60
22222 35 24773 0000000 $0.30 intake nut M6
22222 36 900.3456 000000 $0.20 intake washer M6
Here is a beautiful cut-away grey-scale illustration, from the Danish website veteranknallertklub.dk. This “Magnum X” type Bing has the all-metal float needle, not rubber-tip push-pull type 15. The float has no slot because it only pushes on the needle. The Puch Magnum-X Bing above has the rubber-tip float needle that has a T top that slides into a slot in the float. On that kind, the float can push and pull on the needle. The all-metal type is on older Bings.
This older Bing has a screw-in idle air jet 33. The Magnum X version has a pressed-in idle air jet, not replaceable. This helps to break up the liquid gasoline into smaller droplets, like a mist.
Bing 15, 17 and 18
December 11, 2020
7. B I N G T Y P E 1 8, 1 7, and 1 5
12 or 14mm clamp size 23mm
Steyr-Daimler-Puch was so proud of the replacement for the Maxi, that they named it after their hand crafted performance bicycle line, and their 1899-1934 Austrian automobile name, Austro-Daimler. Not much on the 1984-86 Puch A-D was the same as the elderly Maxi. These Bing “Type 18” 12mm carburetors (18/12/206 and 18/12/207) are 1990’s technology. Notice the light throttle spring, possible with modern nylon lined cables and low friction throttle parts.
A Bing “Type 18” 14mm carb (18/14/180) was also on the 1995-96 Manet-Puch Korado.
A Bing “Type 17” is like a Type 18, but the float needle is different.
A Bing “Type 15” is the same as “Type 18”, except it has a 55mm bell in front, for an air box.
# qty Puch part # price description a is A-D k is Korado
0 1 000.000.0000 N/A carb 15/12/100S
1a 1 345.415.6000 N/A carb 18/12/107 Puch A-D 2.0hp
1a 1 345.315.6000 N/A carb 18/12/106 Puch A-D 1.5hp
1 1 000.000.0000 N/A carb 18/12/118
1 1 000.000.0000 N/A carb 18/14/104 Zundapp CS,CX
1k 1 0000.000.01k N/A carb 18/14/180 Manet Korado 2.0hp
2k 1 0000.000.02k N/A choke cable adjuster M7-0.75
2a 1 321.215.4181 $12.0 choke elbow M7-0.75 Bing Sachs 12
2a1 1 321.115.4211 N/A rubber boot
2a2 1 000.000.0000 $5.00 cable adjuster M6-0.75
2a3 1 000.000.0000 $2.50 adjuster nut M6-0.75
3k 1 0000.000.03k N/A throttle cable adjuster M7-0.75
3a1 1 321.115.4181 $8.00 throttle cable pipe elbow smooth
3a1 1 321.115.4171 $1.00 pipe elbow nut M7-0.75
3a2 1 000.000.0000 $5.00 cable adjuster M6-0.75
3a3 1 000.000.0000 $2.50 adjuster nut M6-0.75
4 2 000.900.9114 $1.00 top screw M4 x 12 phillips
5k 1 0000.000.05k N/A top cover, both threaded M7-0.75
5a 1 321.115.4191 N/A top cover, choke threaded M7-0.75
6 1 321.115.4291 N/A top gasket
7 1 321.115.4061 N/A throttle spring Ø13 x ??
8 1 321.115.4141 N/A spring cup has nylon slide tab
9 1 362.115.0131 $2.00 jet needle clip Bing Puch 5
10 1 330.115.0161 $18.0 jet needle 36mm Bing Puch 4a
11 1 ..115.4151/13 N/A throttle slide Ø16.5 diff. slot angle
12 1 321.115.4641 N/A choke spring
13 1 321.115.4652 N/A choke slide
14 1 000.900.9114 $0.70 inlet screw M4-0.7 x 16
15 1 321.115.4391 N/A seal washer 4 x 8 x 0.5
16 1 321.115.4381 N/A inlet banjo (bigger)
17 1 321.115.4371 N/A fuel filter
18k1 0000.000.18k N/A idle mixture screw o-ring
19k1 0000.000.19k N/A idle mixture screw
20 1 321.115.4121 N/A idle speed screw spring
21 1 321.115.4111 N/A idle speed screw
22 1 345.115.5291 $3.00 clamp screw M6 Bing Puch 28
23 1 321.115.4071 N/A o-ring for needle jet
24k 0000.000.24k N/A pilot jet
25 1 ..115.4081/26 N/A needle jet 2.26
26 1 ..315/0091/54 none 4.0 main jet #54 (2.0hp)
26 1 ..315.0091/52 $8.00 4.0 main jet #52 (1.5hp)
29 3 D07.985.0212 $0.50 bowl screw M4 x 16 phillips
30 1 000.900.9886 N/A air filter hose clamp
31 1 321.215.4281 $12.0 float bowl gasket
32 1 362.215.0262 $15.0 float needle Bing Puch 20
33 1 321.115.4252 N/A float 35 x 26 x 15.5
34 1 321.115.4271 $3.00 hinge pin Ø2.5 x 25
35 1 321.115.4242 N/A float bowl 3-screw for Puch A-D, Korado
36 1 000.000.0000 N/A float bowl 3-screw with choke jet
Bing 18/14/180 on Manet-Puch Korado
Bing 18/12/118 carb
Bing 18/12/118 carb
Bing 17/14/122 on 1979 KTM (Canada model)
This Bing type 17 from a 1979 KTM has a float needle with a wire “tail” that hooks onto the float. Later Bing type 18 had a regular float needle like on most 1970’s Bings, with a “flat top” that the float both pushes and pulls. The Bing 17 and 18 floats are the same. The Bing 18 float needle works fine on a Bing 17. Bing 18 is a later version from the mid-1980’s.
Bing Allstate
December 11, 2020 
6. B I N G A L L S T A T E C A R B S
There are 3 Bing 12mm carburetors on Sears Allstate mopeds.
1. 050.1.1500.2/58 ∅12 jet 58, cable choke (1-ended cable)
for M1 engine with intake silencer (air box) Puch MS50
on ’56-58 Mo-Ped 810.94000, 810.94001
on ’63-64 Econo Mo-Ped 810.94011, 810.94018
3. 364.1.15.001.0/62 ∅12 jet 62, cable choke (2-ended cable)
for M3 engine with no intake silencer Puch MS50V
on ’58-61 Mo-Ped 810.94010, 810.94019
on ’59-61 Mo-Ped 810.94020
on ’62-63 Mo-Ped 810.94030, 810.94039
on ’64-65 Mo-Ped 810.94040, 810.94049
6. 360.1.15.500.0/62 ∅12 jet 62, lever choke (no choke cable)
for M6 engine with no intake silencer Puch MS50VDK
on ’64-65 Campus 50 810.94090, 810.94099
136 fig 00.00.000.0/00 price
100 050.1.1500.2/58 0 none M1 carb ∅12 jet 58, cable choke
010 364.1.15.001.0/62 none M3 carb ∅12 jet 62, cable choke
001 360.1.15.500.0/62 none M6 carb ∅12 jet 62, lever choke
111 01 050.1520 000 $4.00 cable adjuster A1b M5-0.80
111 02 900.2115 000 $0.40 adjuster nut M5-0.80 =050.1517
111 03 050.1519 000 none top cover outer M18-1.0
111 04 050.1518 000 none top inner with tube bend M6-0.75
111 05 050.1531 0000 $10.0 throttle spring
111 06 050.1513 0000 $3.00 throttle needle clip
011 6a 350.1.15.014.1 none throttle disc ∅11 x 0.5
111 07 050.1516 000 none throttle needle (state 1 or 2 marks)
111 07 050.0516 000 none throttle needle 31mm 1-mark
111 08 050.1515 000 none throttle slide (state #)
111 08 050.1515 000 $33.0 throttle slide #16
111 09 050.1555 000 none choke spring
111 10 050.1552 000 none choke shoulder screw
011 11 050.1529 000 none air filter clip
011 12 050.1540.2 00 $22.0 air filter screen
100 14 050.1558 000 none choke pinch screw
010 15 350.4.15.056.1 none choke cable nipple
110 16 050.1559 000 none choke locking plate
110 17 050.1553 000 none choke slide
100 18 050.1509/58 none main jet size 58
011 18 050.1509/62 none main jet size 62
222 19 050.1535 000 $1.30 float top screw M4 x 10 slot
100 20 050.1532 000 none float top with seat
011 20 364.1.15.032.2 none float top with seat and tickler
111 21 050.1536 000 none float chamber gasket
111 22 050.1530 000 none float needle (no bulb)
111 23 050.1525 000 none float bulb (no needle)
110 24 050.10.1501 0 none carburetor body bare
222 25 900.1107 000 $1.00 hex bolt M6 x 25
222 26 24804 000000 $0.20 plain washer M6
111 27 050.1521 0000 $9.00 intake gasket/heat block
111 28 050.1508 000 none needle jet (state #) Bing Jawa 14,15
111 29 27071 00000 $1.50 seal washer 10 x 14mm
111 30 050.1523 000 none screw plug M10-1.0
111 31 050.1511 000 $7.00 idle screw M4-0.7
111 32 24771 00000 $0.40 idle screw nut M4-0.7
100 33 050.1570.0 00 none intake silencer complete
100 00 050.1574 000 none spring for air filter
100 00 050.1575 000 $0.80 washer ∅3 ∅6 x 1
200 34 3770 000000 $0.80 washer ∅5 ∅9 x 1
200 35 900.1323 000 $0.80 screw M5 x 40 slot
100 36 050.1576 000 none seal ring ∅52 ∅45 x 2
100 37 050.1.1577 00 none junction sleeve
100 38 050.1540.2 00 $22.0 air filter screen
Here is a beautiful cut-away illustration from the Danish website veteranknallertklub.dk. The venturi is 12mm diameter. The curved pipe is about 13mm. The jet and jet holder are a single piece, like the Bing “early Sachs”. The choke cable and plate are the same as Bing “Solo”, with a “carb” end on the choke cable. The screw-on top cap is M18x1.0 thread and M6x0.75 cable elbow/stop, Ø14.5 slide with slot facing the intake (like other early Bings), and jet needle, are interchangeable with Bing “Solo” and Bing “Jawa or early Sachs”.
From the left drawing, sliced vertically front to back, you can see the little pin that locates the throttle slide, near where the choke cable comes in at. Like the other early Bings “Solo” and “Jawa”, the slot in the throttle slide faces the intake, so the throttle slides interchange (but not with “1970’s Sachs” and “Kreidler”).
Puch used this Bing “Allstate” 12mm carburetor on the MS50 (Moped Stahlblech – steel sheet) series from the 1950’s to the 1970’s. In 1969 Puch indroduced the Maxi moped, with an all new carburetor design. That carburetor, called Bing “Puch” or “round Bing” was in use from 1969 to 1986. It is way more familiar to Americans because of the moped buying frenzy in the late 1970’s. In the early 1980’s Puch developed their advanced technology future moped. But sales were down, and something like internal fraud contributed to Puch going out of business after over a century. If they had kept going, we would have an abundance of parts for the Bing “Austro Daimler” carburetor.
Bing Jawa
December 11, 2020
5. B I N G J A W A C A R B S
Made for 1950’s – 60’s Sachs 502/2, 502/3
# # price Jawa# description
1 23 N/A 09-140 air filter
2 4 $28.0 21-050 screw cap M18x1 Bing Solo 25
3 00 N/A 35-922 float w/needle bigger than Encarwi
24 N/A 35-022 float only
26 N/A 47-120 float needle only
4 2 $2.50 45-502 adj nut M6x0.75
5 9 $22.0 46-042 jet needle 33mm 2-mark
10none 46-031 jet needle 31mm
6 1 $5.00 50-042 adjuster M6x0.75
7 8 $3.00 57-200 needle clip Bing Sachs 6
8 6 $10.0 60-300 throttle spring Bing Sachs 8
8a 7 $3.00 57-023 plate/washer Bing Sachs 7
9 20 N/A 61-469 air box clamp/clip
10 11 N/A 22-150 slide Ø14.5 “24” slot faces intake
10 12 N/A 22-151 slide Ø14.5 “32” slot faces intake
10 12 $28.0 22-sub slide Ø14.5 “16” Bing Solo 20
11 03 N/A 32-032-101 float lid w/seat
11a 5 N/A 65-720 seal ring
12 13 N/A 44-931-101/62 main jet
12 13 N/A 44-931-101/64 main jet
12 13 N/A 44-931-101/66 main jet
14 14 N/A 45-111 needle jet
15 15 N/A 45-112 needle jet
16 16 $2.00 65-143 seal washer 10 x 14
17 17 none 50-148 plug M10x1
19 19 $35.0 26-625 filter cap metal, not replica
21 21 N/A 65-775 seal
22 22 N/A 65-750 seal
25 N/A 40-420 clamp screws (2) on some versions
27 27 $1.50 49-020 cottor pin Bing Puch 31
28 28 N/A 40-430 locking screw
29 29 N/A 60-020 primer spring
31 31 N/A 48-925 primer/tickler
33 33 N/A 40-413 float screws (2)
34 34 $3.00 idle screw M5x0.8 Bing Puch 16
35 35 $3.00 idle screw spring Bing Puch 17
Bing 1/12/315
Bing 1/12/325
Bing 1/12/169
Bing 1/12/239 replica
Originally all metal, this carburetor and intake silencer was made for the early Sachs 502 vertical cylinder moped engine, 1,2, or 3 speed, kick start or pedals, from the 1950’s and 1960’s. The name Bing “Jawa” should be called Bing “Sachs 502”, since it fits those engines like a glove. Then Bing “Sachs” here should be Bing “Sachs 504/505 A”, to be more correct, globally.
There is no choke slide that blocks the air like on other Bings. Instead the primer holds the float down until gasoline overflows into the venturi. That provides the rich mixture for cold starting.
1960’s Sachs 502/2
Bing carb made for it
1965 Hercules moped
Sachs 502/2 (2-speed)
50’s Sachs 502/3 (3-spd)
Jawa used this classic German carburetor from 1979 to 1983, only after it was obsolete, and only on their highest power 1.7kW models. Those were the 40km/h (25mph) Supreme 2, type 207-394 (Babetta 207-504 in Europe), and the 50km/h (30mph) Supreme 3, type 207-392 (X 30 207-385 in Europe). All other Jawa Babetta models were 1.1kW or less, 40km/h (25mph) or less, with a smaller 9mm Jikov 2909 carburetors.
1982 Jawa Supreme 2
type 207-394 (Canada)
1979 Jawa X30
type 207-385 (for Euro)
Apparently most, if not all, of the USA models of “Supreme 2” and “Supreme 3” have the 9mm Jikov carburetors, not the 12mm Bing. Of about 20 Jawa Supreme 2 and 3, found on the internet, all had 9mm Jikov carbs. Only the two at left had 12mm Bings. Yet the Bing “Jawa” carb is in the later 207-300 series American Jawa Parts Catalog.
Bing Solo
December 11, 2020 
4. B I N G S O L O
8 or 10 mm, clamp size 16 mm
Left is Columbia parts list 1 to 29. Right is Odyssey parts list 1 to 31.
fig price Odyssey# description
00 N/A 23 00 341 carburetor Bing 1/10/112
01 N/A 00 04 302 vinyl tubing 14 x 2 x 178
02 N/A 20 74 597 intake silencer
03 $22.0 25 00 326 air filter insert
04 N/A 00 66 132 intake silencer clamp
05 $15.0 05 10 658 float slotted type
06 $15.0 05 10 657 float needle for slotted
07 $8.00 05 10 115 float bowl
08 $3.50 05 10 218 bowl gasket
09 $10.0 05 10 132 main jet 58
10 $15.0 05 10 460 needle jet 2.12
11 $12.0 05 10 100 fuel line nipple M8 x 0.75
00 $20.0 00 00 000 inlet swivel type assy
12 $1.00 05 10 210 seal washer 8
13 $3.00 05 10 461 idle screw M5-0.8
14 $3.00 05 10 462 screw spring
15 none 05 10 463 choke plate
16 none 05 10 464 stud
17 none 05 10 465 safety washer
18 none 05 10 466 torsion spring
19 none 05 10 467 pivot screw
20 $33.0 05 10 468 throttle slide Ø14.5 “16” see photo above
21 none 05 10 469 jet needle 31mm 1-mark
22 $3.00 05 10 470 needle holder
23 $3.00 05 10 471 washer
24 $10.0 05 10 472 slide spring Ø11 x 36
25 $28.0 05 10 473 top cover M18 x 1.0, M6 x 0.75
26 $5.00 05 10 185 cable adjuster M6 x 0.75
27 $2.50 05 10 127 adjuster nut M6 x 0.75
00 $1.00 00 18 181 #28 screw M6 x 12 hex?
00 none 20 74 618 #29 carburetor cover
28 $4.00 05 10 189 #30 float hinge pin
29 $6.00 05 10 456 #31 clamp screw M5 x 15
Bing 1/10/112 for Solo/Colombia 40kmh (26mph)
Bing 1-8-102 with air box, for Solo 25kmh (16mph)
Bing 1/10/112 carb on Solo 255 motor
This carburetor is for low powered mopeds (mofas), case-reed-valve engines, that position the carburetor way down almost below the engine. The choke is remote, by cable. There is no primer (because you could not reach it if there was). Otherwise it is very close to the Kreidler Bing, with the same size Ø16 mount, Ø14.5 slide (but a different slot position), same float, float needle, float bowl, M5 idle screw, needle, needle jet, and M3.5 main jet (but different numbers).
Bing Kreidler
December 11, 2020
3. B I N G K R E I D L E R C A R B S
10 or 12mm clamp size 16mm
Kreidler Flory carb 1-10-126, identical to 1/12/260
Late 1970’s Kreidler Flory MP-9 and MP-19 mopeds are US models, 30mph (2.0hp), with Bing 1/12/260 (12mm) carbs. Other Flory models in Europe are 25kmh (17mph) with Bing 1/10/126 (10mm) carbs. The “bell” outer diameter is 54mm, same as the Solo Bing below.
# qty Kreidler# price description
1a 1 215.19.99a N/A carburetor 1/12/260 has metal-tip needle, no-slot float
1b 1 215.19.99b N/A carburetor 1/12/268 has rubber-tip needle, slotted float
2a 1 07.15.08 $6.00 clamp screw M5 x 15 thin shank (clamp size 16)
3a 1 07.16.06 N/A float no slot substitute slotted float & rubber needle
3b 1 07.16.06b $15.0 float with slot for rubber tip needle
4a 1 07.15.44 $39.0 float needle metal for no slot float
4b 1 07.15.44b $15.0 float needle rubber for slotted float
5 1 607.15.1 $4.00 hinge pin (Bing Puch 19)
6 1 07.15.05 $8.00 float bowl (Bing Puch 21)
7 1 07.15.32 $3.50 ring seal (Bing Puch 22)
8 1 07.16.20 $15.0 needle jet 2.17 (Bing Puch 2b)
9 1 07.15.41 none 3.5mm main jet #68
10 1 07.15.12 $18.0 needle 2-mark 36mm (Bing Puch 4a)
11 1 07.15.15 $12.0 fuel inlet vertical type M8x0.75
11 1 07.15.15s $20.0 fuel inlet swivel type Puch 24+25+26
12 1 07.15.21 $15.0 fuel strainer (Bing Puch 27)
13 2 07.15.25 $1.00 fuel inlet seal washer M8
14 1 07.15.14 $3.00 idle screw M5-0.8 (Bing Puch 16)
15 1 07.15.22 $3.00 idle screw spring (Bing Puch 17)
16 1 07.15.99 $35.0 slide Ø14.5 #10 says “10 B”
17 1 07.15.18 $3.00 clip for needle (Bing-Sachs 6)
18 1 07.15.55 $3.00 disk washer (Bing-Sachs 7)
19 1 07.15.23 N/A slide spring Ø11 x 42
20 1 07.16.25 N/A carb top cover smaller than Puch
21 2 07.16.23 $1.50 carb top screw (Bing Puch 10)
22 1 07.16.12 N/A choke rod 35mm (use 38mm Bing-Puch 33)
22 1 07.16.12s $4.00 choke rod substitute 38mm
23 1 07.16.13 N/A push button goes on top of choke rod, not needed
24 1 07.15.27 N/A top gasket smaller than Puch
25 1 07.15.20 $20.0 choke slide 14 wide, can grind down a Puch one
Bing 85 Sachs
December 11, 2020
2. B I N G S A C H S C A R B S
10 or 12mm clamp size 20mm
Sachs engines for US models:
internal pedals external pedals
Sachs 505/1B Sachs 504/1B 1-spd auto 25km/h (18mph)
Sachs 505/1A Sachs 504/1A 1-spd auto 40km/h (26mph)
Sachs 505/1D Sachs 504/1D 1-spd auto 45km/h (29mph)
Sachs 505/1D Sachs 508/2D 2-spd auto 45km/h (29mph)
Carburetor Jet Slide N.jet Needle Float Price Applications
85/10/101 50 2B 2.17 33mm no slot N/A ’76-79 504,505/1B
85/10/101A 50 2B 2.17 33mm slotted N/A ’79-85 504,505/1B
85/12/101 52 2B 2.17 36mm no slot N/A ’76-79 504,505/1A
85/12/101A 52 2B 2.17 36mm slotted N/A ’79-85 504,505/1A
85/12/104A 58 2 none none slotted N/A ’78-’83 504,505/1D
85/12/118 55 2 none none slotted N/A ’80-’85 504,505/1D
Note that the later 104A and 118 carbs have no jet needle.
# Sachs part # price description
1 0961.151.050 $8.00 4mm jet #50 for 85/10/101 & 101A
1 0961.151.052 $8.00 4mm jet #52 for 85/12/101 & 101A
1 0961.151.055 none 4mm jet #55 for 85/12/104A
1 0961.151.058 $8.00 4mm jet #58 for 85/12/118
2 0261.142.002 $12.0 needle jet 2.17 (not for 104A or 118)
2a 0247.143.000 $8.00 ring Ø3.2 Ø2.1 x 2.5 (not for 104A or 118)
3 0261.145.000 $18.0 fuel filter, good-used only
4 0261.146.000 $15.0 slide #2B Ø14.5 (not for 104A or 118)
4 0261.148.000 N/A slide #2 Ø14.5 only for 104A & 118
5 0261.006.003 $22.0 needle 33mm for 85/10/101 or 101A
5 0261.006.004 $18.0 needle 36mm for 85/12/101 or 101A
6 0261.018.000 $3.00 clip for needle (not for 104A or 118)
7 0244.109.000 $3.00 washer/plate (not for 104A or 118)
8 0239.140.000 $10.0 spring Ø11 x 36mm
9 0250.162.000 $3.00 gasket carb top
10 0261.144.000 $15.0 carb top w/screws
11 0000.111.000 $1.50 screw carb top M4 Bing Puch 10
12 0000.111.000 $12.0 elbow carb M7 long thicker than Puch
12a 000.111.000 $15.0 elbow carb M7 short thicker than Puch
13 0000.111.000 $1.00 locknut M7 x 0.75
14 0000.111.000 $2.50 locknut M6 x 0.75
15 0000.111.000 $5.00 adjuster M6 x 0.75
15 0000.111.000 -N/A– (not trapped within the 2-ended cable)
12 0261.143.000 $15.0 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 long elbow assy
12a 000.111.000 $18.0 12a+13 + 14 + 15 short elbow assy
19 3640.022.002 $3.00 clamp bolt M5 x 20 thin shank
20 0962.065.000 $3.00 idle screw M5x0.8 Bing Puch 16
21 0962.090.000 $3.00 spring for idle screw Bing Puch 17
22 0000.111.000 $39.0 float needle metal for no-slot float
22a2661.027.000 $15.0 float needle rubber for slotted float
23 0000.111.000 $30.0 float only, good-used, no slot for metal tip needle
23 0281.125.000 $60.0 22 + 23 + 24 no-slot float+needle
23a 000.111.000 45-30 float only, slotted for rubber tip needle
23a0281.125.001 65-45 22a + 23a + 24 slotted float+needle
24 0000.111.000 $7.00 hinge pin float bigger than Puch
25 0261.141.000 $10.0 float bowl
26 0240.213.001 $0.70 M4 x 12 slot head
27 0250.161.000 $13.0 gasket float orig. cork 1.5mm
27 0250.161.000 $8.00 gasket float thick Bing 1.5mm
27 0250.161.000 $4.00 gasket float thin 0.8mm leaks more
28 0261.125.000 $10.0 hose fitting/banjo Bing Puch 24
29 0242.110.000 $7.00 cap nut M8 x 0.75 for early versions
30 0962.013.000 $1.00 seal ring M8 (2) Bing Puch 26
31 0000.111.000 $3.00 primer
32 0000.111.000 $7.00 spring for primer
33 0000.111.000 $1.50 cotter pin for spring
0281.109.000 $10.0 31 + 32 + 33
Upper is #12 cable pipe long
Lower is #12a cable pipe short
Left, non-slotted floats and metal tipped needle.
Right, slotted float and rubber tipped needle.
Some Sachs intake pipes have a cut-out for an o-ring.
It is the same as the air box o-ring #41, Ø17 x 1.5
40 0000.111.000 N/A air box complete Ø16 for Ø12 carbs
40a0000.111.000 N/A air box complete Ø13 for Ø10 carbs
41 0250.160.101 $1.50 rubber o-ring 17 x 1.5
42 0225.007.000 $9-$14 air box front half
43 0239.138.000 $5.00 choke slide spring
44 0225.009.000 $20.0 choke plate/slide
45 0224.160.000 $3.00 mount plate metal
46 0240.211.002 $0.50 M5 x 10 slot screws takes two
46 0282.114.000 $29.0 41+42+43+44+45 front half assy
47 0225.008.005 N/A air box rear Ø16 grey for Ø12 carbs
47a0225.008.000 $23.0 air box rear Ø13.5 black for Ø10 carbs
48 0225.010.100 $15.0 air filter, new
48 0225.010.100 $17.0 air filter, new with wider hole
49 0239.139.000 $8.0 wire clip air box
Air filter: The air filter 48 has a rubber spacer around it. This rubber becomes soft, making the clip looser. Then a bump or jolt causes the air box back half 47 to detach and soon fall off. That is why most are missing 47, 48, 49.
Air filter hole: The air filter has a sound baffle hole 14mm. For 25-30 mph models with 12 mm carbs the 14 mm hole must be widened to about 22mm, especially with the black air box with 13.5 mm inlet hole.
Sachs Choke Cable Trickery: Above, a Sachs Bing carburetor and air filter assembly. First the grey steel plate goes inside the white plastic box front half. Then the two M5x12 screws bolt it to the carburetor. Then the choke cable is fed through the box half, The choke cable spring is slid over the end of the choke cable. Then the white plastic choke plate, at far lower left, is attached to the small barrel end of the choke cable. This is done with the choke cable detached from the lever at the handlebar. When it’s all hooked up, squeezing the choke trigger moves the choke plate forward, blocking off the air. Releasing the choke trigger causes the spring to pull the choke plate back away, allowing full air in for normal running.
85/10/101(or A) 85/12/101(or A) 85/12/104 A
for 504-505 1B for 504-505 1A for 504-505 1D
85/10/101 (or A) 85/12/101 (or A) 85/12/104 A
“A” means slotted float and rubber tip needle.
No “A” means no-slot float and metal tip needle.
101 types channel the idle mixture under the slide. A deeper slide channel makes a richer idle mixture. Fill in the idle channel with epoxy to make the idle mixture leaner. Grind it deeper to idle richer. 104 types have an idle tunnel with a separate fuel hole. A bigger idle hole makes a richer idle mixture.
But it is not removable and not easily serviced. Remember that once the throttle slide is raised up (opened), the idle channel and (to a lesser degree) the jet needle have no more effect. At full throttle only the main jet matters, pretty much.
Left 4 have idle channels and jet needle holes.
Right has no idle channel and no needle hole.
The twin holes joined together are for the cable.
85/12/101 A 85/12/104 A
Left, the 101A needle jet unscrews.
Rt, 104A is molded-in under the jet.
Note the new and used float colors.
Slot Position angle is expressed as the time on a clock. All four slides above have the intake side at 12 o’clock and the engine side at 6 o’clock. Then from the bottom view, “Sachs A and B” is at 3 o’clock, “early Bing” is at 12 o’clock, “Solo” is at 12 o’clock, “Kreidler” is at 10 o’clock, and “Sachs C and D” is at 3 o’clock. Slides that have the same diameter and slot position can interchange, in most cases.